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Confronting Racism Face to Face

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Hello Furyc

You were away for a while and you should know one thing. Here in the BF there were violations of the rules here and there .... then users were sanctioned or blocked. And I am there with you when it comes to exchange, culture of controversy and that everyone in a Balkan forum can breathe easily through their pants ... also that you can just pull the other person's furniture ... then again forgive and forget and then you drink a rakija together again.
Over in Balkanesia, however, it was the case that the mods and the admin had given up on combating racist and above all antigypsy and anti-Semitic agitation and the bullying of users. There was pure arbitrariness and that was actually no longer bearable, as boundaries were continuously crossed. Insults and terms such as "filthy gypsy", "subhuman", "parasite" and "waste" were standard and murder and extermination fantasies were pronounced. It was that when users opposed this development and these racist, fascist, antigypsyist agitations, they were branded as "troublemakers" and "troublemakers" and even if they were themselves who were bullied or attacked and insulted, So nothing was done to stop this development in order to protect users.
A moderator insults a user, if users replied exactly the same, they were blocked. That's what happened to me there. If there were no arguments in the discussion, then there was insult or agitation, as I just described. This has poisoned the entire forum climate. Ultimately, things went so badly in Balkanesia that the forum was closed for a while. Legija had confirmed this and he commented on it and before it was started again, many of the antigypsy, racist and neo-Nazi content, sayings and "jokes" were deleted. The host of the forum probably became aware of the content and the development of the forum and reacted. And that's why Legija had to "bend" and also react. Incidentally, Dissention was involved in this destructive development and agitation with some other users. Now all users have become nice, here as well as over there. I want you to remember that and keep that in mind.

As you may have noticed here ... the discussion between me and Hannibal .... everything in the frame. It is my metal thread and I have taken the right to criticize him, he can continue to post his things there and express his opinion .... but what is there now, the discussion and the dispute between us ... everyone can do that get a picture of yourself. I leave him for example. now also in peace .... and if there are no mutual hard insults and attacks between the two of us .... then it is ok for me as it is now. Live and let live.

But this group dynamic, the bullying against users and this obsession to want to humiliate and destroy other users, took place in Balkanesia and that cannot be tolerated. And I'm not telling you shit, it's not just Frank who can confirm all of this. There are other users who can confirm this at the appropriate time ... some are currently not active, but will definitely come back to the BF soon.

Such a development did not take place here at the BF and I am glad that the forum is accordingly stable.

pozdrav
 
Hello Furyc

You were away for a while and you should know one thing. Here in the BF there were violations of the rules here and there .... then users were sanctioned or blocked. And I am there with you when it comes to exchange, culture of controversy and that everyone in a Balkan forum can breathe easily through their pants ... also that you can just pull the other person's furniture ... then again forgive and forget and then you drink a rakija together again.
Over in Balkanesia, however, it was the case that the mods and the admin had given up on combating racist and above all antigypsy and anti-Semitic agitation and the bullying of users. There was pure arbitrariness and that was actually no longer bearable, as boundaries were continuously crossed. Insults and terms such as "filthy gypsy", "subhuman", "parasite" and "waste" were standard and murder and extermination fantasies were pronounced. It was that when users opposed this development and these racist, fascist, antigypsyist agitations, they were branded as "troublemakers" and "troublemakers" and even if they were themselves who were bullied or attacked and insulted, So nothing was done to stop this development in order to protect users.
A moderator insults a user, if users replied exactly the same, they were blocked. That's what happened to me there. If there were no arguments in the discussion, then there was insult or agitation, as I just described. This has poisoned the entire forum climate. Ultimately, things went so badly in Balkanesia that the forum was closed for a while. Legija had confirmed this and he commented on it and before it was started again, many of the antigypsy, racist and neo-Nazi content, sayings and "jokes" were deleted. The host of the forum probably became aware of the content and the development of the forum and reacted. And that's why Legija had to "bend" and also react. Incidentally, Dissention was involved in this destructive development and agitation with some other users. Now all users have become nice, here as well as over there. I want you to remember that and keep that in mind.

As you may have noticed here ... the discussion between me and Hannibal .... everything in the frame. It is my metal thread and I have taken the right to criticize him, he can continue to post his things there and express his opinion .... but what is there now, the discussion and the dispute between us ... everyone can do that get a picture of yourself. I leave him for example. now also in peace .... and if there are no mutual hard insults and attacks between the two of us .... then it is ok for me as it is now. Live and let live.

But this group dynamic, the bullying against users and this obsession to want to humiliate and destroy other users, took place in Balkanesia and that cannot be tolerated. And I'm not telling you shit, it's not just Frank who can confirm all of this. There are other users who can confirm this at the appropriate time ... some are currently not active, but will definitely come back to the BF soon.

Such a development did not take place here at the BF and I am glad that the forum is accordingly stable.

pozdrav

Hey dude,

I am so sorry that I didn´t react earlier to your post, but I wasn´t aware of this thread. Although you wrote this many days ago, I will give you a statement, as I really do appreciate your efford to create a text in english.

As you already mentioned it is not such a weird fact, that balkans are more rude then maybe other western european people. I will not get into this topic further more as it would take days to explain the reasons for that strange kind of communications between balkan people. But I will whatsoever recommend to watch some videos or read some books from the Balkanizer (pls use Google here), who explains the essence of the Balkans in a humorous way.

I already mentioned several times that I dont give three shits about things that happened in the past. Not in this forum, nor in any other forum on the internet. My main attention is on the Balkanforum, and I will and always did my very best to stay focused, fair and as little emotional as possible. Being a part of the team ist a big challange from time to time; sometimes you get attacked for warning users from one side of a topic. The day after you are hated by the users of the other side of a topic. You get a lot of meaningless, sometimes really insulting messenges and still have to be focused and try to stay fair all the time without transforming into a robot or a heartless prick. Thats not easy, but it is necessary in order to control the uncontrollable nature of a big balkan community. Especially topics, that are filled with very emotional content, need to be observed with the maximum amount of objectivity. Therefor I dont get triggered if someone tells me about a user, that he is a rascist or generally a wanker. I do observe -like every other team member does- the behaviour of each user without being influenced by conflicts from the past.

I do understand your concerns regarding rascism and inappropriate behaviour, but I really want to ask for some trust in the descisions of all team members, including mine. My intention ist to keep this forum alive and as colorful and divers as even possible, just like it always was. This includes being confrontated with opinions, far away from maybe yours, and statements, far away from that what you would personally consider being normal. As long as the rules of this forum are not violated, you as a user have to stand this conflicts, just as I do as a team member. Thats all part of democracy, and especially the Balkanforum always had and always should have the goal to be a platform for all balkans and those, who feel a connection to these folks.

Hopefully you understand my statement and get the idea of what I am doing here. My personal opinions and statements to various topics can be asked at any time. If you still have any questions or the wish to get more explenations from my side, please dont hesitate to contact me.

Best regards,
Furyc
 
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