HONOR AND SHAME IN A MIDDLE EASTERN SETTING

[Grobar]

Aus dem text:

Sociologists have recognized that three social issues have existed since earliest times. As civilizations formed, each of them grappled with the concept of fear, shame and guilt. These are, in essence the building blocks of society. Every society has its particular ways of dealing with these issues. And each of these issues have different importance, depending on the cultural makeup of that society.

Shame Based Cultures
In the Middle East two methods are recognized. First, a skillful ruler, through diplomatic efforts and displays of great wisdom, can end disputes. Solomon's dealings with the two mothers who claimed the same baby displayed the kind of wisdom that Arabs appreciate and desire in their rulers. The second kind of ruler crushes all of the tribes and by force makes them submit to himself. Peace may then rule, but once the controlling power is removed, old animosities return. This is well illustrated in the Balkans conflict where the domination of communism brought about a measure of peace. Once freedom returned however, old conflicts and animosities flared again.

Quelle

insgesamt sehr lesenswert.
Wo wuerdet ihr euch und/oder die Gemeinschaft der ihr angehoert oder hineingeboren seid, zuordnen? Shame, Guilt, Fear?
Ihr koennt auch mit einem hybrid antworten.

Guilt <-------> Innocence
Shame <-------> Honor
Fear <-------> Power

Ich selbst wuerde Serbien zu einer Honour/Shame-gesellschaft zuordnen
Einfach deswegen da die Orthodoxe Kirche in meinen Augen diesen Prinzipien folgt und sie das Fundament der Serbischen Ethnie ist.
(damit hab ich wenigstens einen Standpunkt bezogen).
Der Text unterstuetzt mich in soweit:

The Eastern Scene
Christianity in the east, however, developed differently. Eastern theologians did not use Roman law as a vehicle for interpreting the gospel. Rather, the eastern world was caught up in the shame-honor relationship that was prevalent in societies scattered from the Middle East to the Far East. Eastern Orthodox theology didn't deal directly with sin, guilt, and redemption.

Eure Selbsteinschaetzung wuerde mich sehr interessieren.

 

[Grobar]

Bis meine Schicht um ist bleibt der Thread oben!

Aus dem Text:

The major difference between east and west, however, is not the presence of the shame concept, but rather, the structure of society around either the group mentality or individualism. Eastern shame became much more powerful than western shaming activities, simply because in the east the shame rests on the person's group rather than the individual. Since many eastern society functions in a group setting, the whole group suffers rather than just the individual. If the crime is bad enough, the group itself may oust or, for a severe offense, kill the offender.

" the whole group suffers rather than just the individual".
Na? auf wen passt das?

 

[Grobar]

Bis meine Schicht um ist bleibt der Thread oben!

In fact, the longer I lived in the Arab world, the more I recognized the predictability of the Arabs.

 

[Grobar]

Bis meine Schicht um ist bleibt der Thread oben!

After all, the Qur'an tells them that God created good and evil.

Muslim men use this rationalization when living in what they consider an immoral western nation.

 

[Grobar]

Bis meine Schicht um ist bleibt der Thread oben!

Islam and Honor
"Honor is understood in a complex way as the absence of shame, for honor and shame are bound to one another as complementary, yet contradictory ideas." Carolyn Fluehr-Lobban, Islamic Values and Social Practice 1994

 

[Grobar]

hoch damit!

Thus, in the west we debate ethics, by trying to determine if things are right or wrong. In the east, they debate ethics, by trying to determine if things are honorable or not.

 

[Grobar]

In the west, young people are free to act as spontaneously as they want, as long as they are within the framework of right and wrong. They can be loud, boisterous, and happy, as long as they don't break things, or abuse others. Our rule in the west is "As long as I don't hurt someone else or their property, I'm generally ok."

 

[Grobar]

When there is failure, often outside forces are blamed. Anger, resentment, and violence are focused on outside elements in order to shift the blame to them.

 

[FReitag]

Also sorry Grobar, aber ich bin glaub ich nicht der einzige der hier nix peilt. .....

 

[Grobar]

Also sorry Grobar, aber ich bin glaub ich nicht der einzige der hier nix peilt. .....

Ich zitier mich mal selbst aus dem Threadopening-post.

Eure Selbsteinschaetzung wuerde mich sehr interessieren.

Ich hab mal selber fuer mich stellung bezogen weil ich denk das das fair ist wenn man ein thema eroeffnet selbst mal ne stellung zu dem Thema zu beziehen.

Mich wuerde interessieren wie ihr die Gemeinschaften einschaetzt die Euer selbstverstaendins definieren im Kontext der oben genannten Spannungsbeziehungen

Guilt <-------> Innocence
Shame <-------> Honor
Fear <-------> Power

und mich wuerde interessieren warum ihr die einschaetzung trefft.