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D. Veselinov: "Vojvodina should be republic"
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Oh, I don't know. Why isn't the wish for independence, even clearly expressed in a referendum, of people in Ossetia and Abchasia recognized? In international law, cases of contradictonary interests between state souvereignigty and territorial integrity and self-determination of minorities do exist. With full respect. But neither in the case of Sandzak nor Vojvodina I don't see any reasons, why a right of separation should be given priority over territorial integrity of Serbia. I don't see any serious harassment of Sandzaklijan people or Hungarians from Vojvodina.
I really ask for corrections, if I am wrong. Maybe I am not informed enough.
Btw. where should all this "Kleinstaaterei" lead to?
And sorry for my English.
I really ask for corrections, if I am wrong. Maybe I am not informed enough.
Btw. where should all this "Kleinstaaterei" lead to?
And sorry for my English.
Schiptar
Geek
Don't worry, that won't happen. There's no majority for full autonomy in Vojvodina not to mention independence.
Гуштер
2 + 2= 5
Separation is not always the result of ethnic conflicts. Often there are economical reasons behind it like in Vojvodina. The hungarians and slovaks have no Problem with the serbian state as far as i know, but alot of the people irrespective of theyr ethnic affillication are just fed up with the politics. Vojvodina is the most developed part of Serbia with excellent conditions for agriculture and thus the people dont see a reason why should be the "breadbasket" for Belgrade.
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Pejan
Guest
all for the cat
Schiptar
Geek
Let's not go there...
Nothing too serious these days, no. There were some anti-Hungarian incidents a few years ago but nothing too violent. As far as I know Hungarians living in Serbia are doing OK, and I know a few.
As for Bosniaks from Sandzak, well, they had a worse time in the bloody 1990s but those days are over and nowadays, IMHO, they should focus on getting their region more developed, and they can only do that together with the Serbs living there, not against them.
What it comes down to is that Serbia should overcome its current centralist policies where Belgrade basically sucks the life out of every place outside of the capital. Devolution is needed, some kind of decentralization that is neither a pretext for separatist tendencies nor yet another scam for local crooked politicians to siphon off public funding without actually improving the situation of the regions they are supposed to represent...
Fitnesstrainer NRW
Serbian Cosmopolitan
Don't worry, you're english is pretty good and I agree with your statement.
The right of "self-determination" doesn't include automatically the right of seperation.
I also don't think that there's a majoritiy to get the intention of the referendum. So there is no reason to fear about it.
But one point I have to accomplish:
If the "vojvodinian people" has got the right to hold a referendum and to take optional advantage, than the people fom Dalmatia could also hold a referendum for autonomy, seperation or what ever, and the citizens from Dubrovnik theirself could hold a referendum to get "out of Dalmatia".....
There are essentially reasons why the souvereignigty of state and its territorial integrity are so important in international law.
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Černozemski
Македон&
Schiptar
Geek
I think what this boils down to is the fact that Vojvodina once had far-reaching autonomy, which it was stripped of under Milosevic, and that the democratic governments that have been in power for more than a decade have been unwilling to try and go back to the previous state of affairs. That's pretty much what Veselinov is trying to point out, that's why he exaggerates things by calling for full self-determination, which he knows full well is absolutely unrealistic.
It is a historical fact that Vojvodina is different, that it was ruled by the Habsburgs during Serbia's first generations of independent statehood, that it is strongly influenced by Central European traditions and is less Balkan in that sense, these are things that old Vojvodinians and also some newcomers will be happy to tell you. That's one reason why I believe it should get back all the rights it lost under Milosevic.
The other reason is that returning its old rights would demonstrate that democratic Serbia is willing to right certain wrongs from the days of Milosevic, that it is willing to draw a clear line between itself and the dictatorship that existed before.
In that sense Vojvodina is different from Dalmatia. A more likely example from the Croatian context would be Istria, which has a number of things in common with Vojvodina.
IbishKajtazi
Furunkel am Arsch
Free Vojvodina, the better Serbia!