Entscheiden ,tust du hier garnichts!! Ansonsten kommt hier wieder so eine unnötige Diskussion wie beim letzten mal
Außerdem ist das völlig egal ,woher ich die Dokumente und Bilder entnehme ,da die nicht von den Blogs verfasst wurden ,sondern von Reportern, Wissenschaftlern etc. und dieses peinliche Youtube-Video von irgendeinem ,der keine Ahnung von Makedoniern hat. Ich hätte das Video akzeptiert ,wenn Dokumente und wichtige Zitate im Video vorzufinden wären ..Nur sind das einfache Bilder!!
Und ich verstehe nicht wieso du hier beginnst über Alexander den Großen zu diskutieren ,da es sich hier ,sowie ich schon mehrmals gesagt habe ,um Dokumente ,die Makedonier und Bulgaren in 2 Ethnien unterteilen handelt.
Deine Links kannst in den folgenden Thread posten:
http://www.balkanforum.info/f90/endlosschleife-mazedonier-vs-griechen-210033/
Boris Sarafov was born in 1872, Nevrokop, Eastern Macedonia. He grew up schooled through the Exarchate and all of its Bulgarian propaganda, but nevertheless displayed clear Macedonian separatist tendencies during some critical points in his life. Like many energetic Macedonians, Sarafov travelled outside of Macedonia for an education, and had attended the Military Academy in Sofia, capital of the recently created principality of Bulgaria. His training in this institution ended in 1894, and in his memoirs he states that as of that same year he had begun to gather a clique of Macedonians with similar thinking, among the emigrant population in the principality of Bulgaria.In 1895 the ex-prime minister of Bulgaria, Stefan Stambolov, was brutally murdered by Macedonians in Sofia for his anti-Macedonian and pro-Bulgarian/pro-Turkish stance. Still raging, Macedonians caused a riotous uproar and created an unwanted spectacle at his funeral. During the same year, ripe with Macedonian disturbances, Sarafov led an attack against the Ottomans at Melnik, Eastern Macedonia, which was held by the Macedonians for less than a week. Sarafov’s reflections on this event are as follows,
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[TD="class: alt2"]A correspondent of the news sheet Information has had an interview with M. Sarafof, the president of the Bulgarian Macedonian Committee, who was arrested a few days ago at Sofia. M. Sarafof made an instructive statement. He said that the whole movement had been misunderstood. It must be divided into two periods.During the first period it was under the leadership of men who were in close connection with the Bulgarian court itself and had been employed by several successive Ministries. The latter used the committee and the influence which it had in the country in order to fortify their own position, and to carry out the programmes of their parties. M. Sarafof continued thus: - In 1895 we young men were sent to Macedonia to prepare an insurrection, or, at all events, to try and start an outbreak of some kind, if only to show Europe that Prince Ferdinand constituted a powerful factor in the Balkan Peninsula and that his deposition would be a greater danger for the peace of the continent. It was only after these disturbances that the Powers, one after the other, recognized Prince Ferdinand as chief of the new Bulgarian dynasty. This first phase of the Macedonian movement, owing to the fact that it was subordinated to different party interests, acquired no hold on the bulk of the population in Macedonia. We young people have therefore been endeavouring for some years past to separate the Macedonian cause from Bulgarian domestic politics. If the rulers of the Principality now declare that they cannot tolerate us as a State within the State, it shows that we have at least succeeded in emancipating ourselves from the pernicious influence of the Bulgarian government. It is only because we are no longer disposed to sacrifice ourselves for this or that party, and regard the liberation of Macedonia as a question of honour for the entire people, that the Bulgarian Government is persecuting us…..(The Times, London, April 12, 1901.)[/TD]
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Sarafov (along with many of his type) initially favoured Prince Ferdinand of Bulgaria, although several Macedonians soon realized that neither the Bulgarian government nor its Germanic Prince(s) could be trusted. During his time under the patronage of Ferdinand, Sarafov was conjuring revolutionary ideas that later proved to be at odds with the policy of the Prince and government. Although he played no part in the formation of the Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation, only 6 years after its establishment (during 1899), the charismatic Macedonian nevertheless became leader of the Supremist faction based in Sofia.
The rest of the London Times article cited earlier gives further insight of the mind and sentiment of Sarafov during 1901,
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[TD="class: alt2"]It is a grievous error to suppose that we seek to acquire Macedonia on behalf of Bulgaria. We Macedonians consider ourselves to be an entirely separate national element, and we are not in the least disposed to allow our country to be seized by Bulgaria, Servia, or Greece. We will, in fact, oppose any such incorporation with all our might. Macedonia must belong to the Macedonians. The misunderstanding has arisen through our residing in Bulgaria. The circumstance of our having prepared a Macedonian insurrection while living in this country led to the conclusion that we were aiming at a union between the two Slav provinces. That is, however, perfectly absurd. If we were to be expelled from Bulgaria and were to settle in Switzerland nobody would suppose that we intended to liberate Macedonia on behalf of Switzerland; we merely go where we find the most favourable opportunities for our revolutionary work……..But, wherever we may be, we wish to keep our movement distinct from the national aspirations of the independent Balkan States. We shall energetically resist any attempt on the part of those States to secure Macedonia for themselves………….
We will have nothing to do either with official Bulgaria or with official Servia, nor yet with official Austria-Hungary. We are revolutionists, and count only upon one-half of the peoples of Europe. In order to put and end to the misunderstandings among the Slav States of the Balkans concerning the movement in which we are engaged, two of our friends will shortly go to Servia and then proceed further in order to deliver lectures. Macedonia must no longer be a source of dissension among the Balkan countries. Emancipation must form the basis upon which the federation of those countries can be founded…………….
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Another article during the same period corroborates these sentiments.
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[TD="class: alt2"]Boris Sarafov had made extremely important statements with a correspondent from Vienna. Some of the more important points are summarized: 1º The Macedonian movement is not a Bulgarian movement; the Macedonians constitute a unique nationality who do not want to be incorporated in Bulgaria, Serbia, or Greece……….(Pro Armenia, Paris, 25 April, 1901, Nouvelles d’Orient.)[/TD]
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Going by the above, the Macedonian identity of Boris Sarafov is prevalent above the Bulgarian influence and propaganda. He is strongly adamant that the Macedonians are not Bulgars or Serbs, and will not accept subjugation by one or the other. This clear Macedonian sense of identity was again echoed in a fascimile from 1902, and quoting Sarafov, it was displayed in the Macedonian Voice (printed in 1914), a periodical paper distributed by D. Chupovski, a Macedonian in Russia.
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[TD="class: alt2"]We, the Macedonians, are not Serbs nor Bulgarians, but simply Macedonians. The Macedonian people exist independent of the Bulgarian and Serb people. We sympathise with both, Bulgarians and Serbs; whoever will help us achieve our freedom, to them we will be thankful, but let the Bulgarians and Serbs not forget, that Macedonia is only for the Macedonians.
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Trotzdem hat das nichts mit den Dokumenten ,die uns Makedonier und Bulgaren unterteilen. Ganz langsam reicht es mir schon mit euch und eurer Verständnislosigkeit!!
Mal hören was einer der brühmtesten Revolutionäre davon hält:
Interview mit Boris Sarafov
Hier ein Interview mit dem Nikola Karev aus dem Jahr 1903
Der Mörder des mazedonischen Revolutionärs Jane Sandanski
Schön, dein Copy & Paste ...
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immer das Gleiche mit dir monk1 nema hören nema sehen wollen.
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Zeitungsausschnitte: Der Beweis dafür dass es sich bei unseren Ex-Jugoslawen aus FYROM um waschechte Nachfahren Alexanders handelt! :
