Monte-Grobar
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Dann mach ein Smily hin das ich auch weiss, dass es spaß war. Aber net so!!!
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haben die montenegriner, wie bei den meisten albanern,
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MIC SOKOLI
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nur weil dir die wahrheit nicht gefällt, heisst das nicht, das es nicht stimmt.
die bulgaren waren auch ein türkischer stamm, aber mit der vermischung mit slawen sind sie heute slawen.
warum soll das nicht mit den montis so gewesen sein?!
die bulgaren waren auch ein türkischer stamm, aber mit der vermischung mit slawen sind sie heute slawen.
warum soll das nicht mit den montis so gewesen sein?!
Monte-Grobar
Spitzen-Poster
drenicaku schrieb:
LOL Jetzt sind die Montenegriner auch Albaner LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, ej junge komm geh scheissen. Mami ruft schon.
MIC SOKOLI
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Monte-Grobar schrieb:
serben aus montenegro sind serben, keine montis!
und albaner seid ihr auch nicht!
Monte-Grobar
Spitzen-Poster
Wir sind keine Albaner da hast du recht. Wie kommt ihr eigentlich auf so ne scheissige Idee? 
Wir sind Serben, auf einer gewissen Art und Weise. Wir sind so ne art Küstenserben
Wir sind Serben, auf einer gewissen Art und Weise. Wir sind so ne art Küstenserben
Albanesi
Gesperrt
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/albanians.html
In reality, Serbs and Albanians are brothers. The Albanian tribe Berishe are related to all Serbs who venerate saint Nicholas, while all Albanians from the Gashi tribe are related to Serbs who venerate Saint John. These tribes were mixed Serbo-albanian before the comming of the Turks. Also, the great Albanian heroe, Skenderbeg was from the serbo-albanian Kastrioti clan and his mother was Serbian! Also many Serb nobles ruled Albanian tribes. For example, the Serb noble tomas Preljubovic ruled southern Albania in Skenderbeg"s own time. Also, the Albanian tribe Midriti wanted Karadjordje to rule over them. They participated in the Serbian revolt of 1803 and were in Karadjordje's personal guard. They are realted to all Serbs who venerate Saint Clement. After the Turks took northern Montenegro, a son of the Ivan-beg Crnojevic, the prince of the Serbian kingdom of Zeta, converted to Islam and was given Northern Albania to govern. He settled in the Albanian village of Bushati from which sprang the "Albanian" Bushati clan sprung. In Montenegro, the tribe Drekalovici is to this day mixed Serbo-albanian and the tribe Serbian tribe Piperi are blood relatives of the Albanian tribe, Hoti.
In reality, Serbs and Albanians are brothers. The Albanian tribe Berishe are related to all Serbs who venerate saint Nicholas, while all Albanians from the Gashi tribe are related to Serbs who venerate Saint John. These tribes were mixed Serbo-albanian before the comming of the Turks. Also, the great Albanian heroe, Skenderbeg was from the serbo-albanian Kastrioti clan and his mother was Serbian! Also many Serb nobles ruled Albanian tribes. For example, the Serb noble tomas Preljubovic ruled southern Albania in Skenderbeg"s own time. Also, the Albanian tribe Midriti wanted Karadjordje to rule over them. They participated in the Serbian revolt of 1803 and were in Karadjordje's personal guard. They are realted to all Serbs who venerate Saint Clement. After the Turks took northern Montenegro, a son of the Ivan-beg Crnojevic, the prince of the Serbian kingdom of Zeta, converted to Islam and was given Northern Albania to govern. He settled in the Albanian village of Bushati from which sprang the "Albanian" Bushati clan sprung. In Montenegro, the tribe Drekalovici is to this day mixed Serbo-albanian and the tribe Serbian tribe Piperi are blood relatives of the Albanian tribe, Hoti.
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Feuerengel
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Ahahahahahahhaha...Albanesi schrieb:
Albanesi
Gesperrt
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania-III.html
"The tribe of Hoti," said the old man, "has many relations. Thirteen generations ago, one Gheg Lazar came to this land with his four sons, and it is from these that we of Hoti descend. I cannot tell the year in which they came. It was soon after the building of the church of Gruda, and that is now 380 years ago. Gruda came before we did. Gheg was one of four brothers. The other three were Piper, Vaso, and Krasni. From these descend the Piperi and Vasojevichi of Montenegro and the Krasnichi of North Albania. So we are four–all related–the Lazakechi (we of Hoti), the Piperkechi, the Vasokechi, and the Kraskechi. They all came from Bosnia to escape the Turks, but from what part I do not know. Yes, they were all Christians. Krasnichi only turned Moslem much later."
Of these four large tribes, of common origin, Piperi and Vasojevich are now Serbophone and Orthodox. Piperi threw in its lot with Montenegro in 1790, but whether or not it was then Serbophone I have failed to learn. Half of Vasojevich was given to Montenegro after the Treaty of Berlin, the other portion still remains under Turkish rule. Vasojevich considers itself wholly Serb, and is bitter foe to the Albanophone tribes on its borders. Krasnich is Albanophone and fanatically Moslem; Hoti is Albanophone and Roman Catholic.
What turned two tribes into Serbs and two into Albanians, and which was their original tongue, I cannot say; but probably they were of mixed Serbo-Illyrian blood, and their language was influenced by the Church to which either chose to adhere. It is said that the Albanophone Krasnichi were Catholic before turning Turk.
The date three hundred and eighty years ago gives us 1528. In 1463 the Turks conquered and killed the last king of Bosnia; but the whole land was not finally incorporated in the Turkish Empire till 1590 (about). The traditional date of emigration falls well within the period when the Turkish occupation was spreading, so is probably approximately correct. A large communal family, with flocks, would be some time on the way.
The old man said modestly that if I were really interested in his family, he would like to give me his family tree, and did so,–from Gheg Laz, through his second son, Djun Gheg, down to his own great-grandson, a strapping child, the apple of his great-grandsire's eye.
"I have been told," said I, "that Nikaj is also a brother of Hoti?"
"No, no," said the old man, "not brother. But part of Nikaj is related to Krasnichi by a later generation, and so to us also, and we cannot marry them. They come from the houses of Bijeli-Krasnich and Mulo-Smaint. Shaban Benaku, the celebrated chief of Krasnich, is straight from Krasni, brother of Gheg Laz, my forefather. And half the tribe of Triepshi, the stem of Bakechi, is of Hoti blood. We cannot marry them. The other half–the Bekaj–we can. They are not our blood; they come from Kopliku. Triepshi belongs to Montenegro now, but is all Catholic. When Gheg Laz and his sons came here, there were already people here."
Some one suggested they were Shkyar (Slavs), but the old man was positive they were not. "They were a very old people. No one knew whence they came. Some said they were like Tartars. My grandfather said they were very strong and active, and could leap over six horses at once, and that they ate acorns and horse-flesh. Twelve houses in Hoti are descended from them, and with these we can marry. They are other blood. They are called Anas." (Anas, in the Albanian dictionary of the Bashkimi society, means "indigenous.") Nor could the old man see that, after thirteen generations of intermarriage, the stocks of Gheg Laz and the Anas must be very considerably related. There was none of the same blood, he declared. Female blood does not count.
But the idea of marrying within the stock Gheg Laz seemed to him so impossible, he would not admit that even in the remote future it could ever take place. "We are brothers and sisters. It would be a great sin."
"The tribe of Hoti," said the old man, "has many relations. Thirteen generations ago, one Gheg Lazar came to this land with his four sons, and it is from these that we of Hoti descend. I cannot tell the year in which they came. It was soon after the building of the church of Gruda, and that is now 380 years ago. Gruda came before we did. Gheg was one of four brothers. The other three were Piper, Vaso, and Krasni. From these descend the Piperi and Vasojevichi of Montenegro and the Krasnichi of North Albania. So we are four–all related–the Lazakechi (we of Hoti), the Piperkechi, the Vasokechi, and the Kraskechi. They all came from Bosnia to escape the Turks, but from what part I do not know. Yes, they were all Christians. Krasnichi only turned Moslem much later."
Of these four large tribes, of common origin, Piperi and Vasojevich are now Serbophone and Orthodox. Piperi threw in its lot with Montenegro in 1790, but whether or not it was then Serbophone I have failed to learn. Half of Vasojevich was given to Montenegro after the Treaty of Berlin, the other portion still remains under Turkish rule. Vasojevich considers itself wholly Serb, and is bitter foe to the Albanophone tribes on its borders. Krasnich is Albanophone and fanatically Moslem; Hoti is Albanophone and Roman Catholic.
What turned two tribes into Serbs and two into Albanians, and which was their original tongue, I cannot say; but probably they were of mixed Serbo-Illyrian blood, and their language was influenced by the Church to which either chose to adhere. It is said that the Albanophone Krasnichi were Catholic before turning Turk.
The date three hundred and eighty years ago gives us 1528. In 1463 the Turks conquered and killed the last king of Bosnia; but the whole land was not finally incorporated in the Turkish Empire till 1590 (about). The traditional date of emigration falls well within the period when the Turkish occupation was spreading, so is probably approximately correct. A large communal family, with flocks, would be some time on the way.
The old man said modestly that if I were really interested in his family, he would like to give me his family tree, and did so,–from Gheg Laz, through his second son, Djun Gheg, down to his own great-grandson, a strapping child, the apple of his great-grandsire's eye.
"I have been told," said I, "that Nikaj is also a brother of Hoti?"
"No, no," said the old man, "not brother. But part of Nikaj is related to Krasnichi by a later generation, and so to us also, and we cannot marry them. They come from the houses of Bijeli-Krasnich and Mulo-Smaint. Shaban Benaku, the celebrated chief of Krasnich, is straight from Krasni, brother of Gheg Laz, my forefather. And half the tribe of Triepshi, the stem of Bakechi, is of Hoti blood. We cannot marry them. The other half–the Bekaj–we can. They are not our blood; they come from Kopliku. Triepshi belongs to Montenegro now, but is all Catholic. When Gheg Laz and his sons came here, there were already people here."
Some one suggested they were Shkyar (Slavs), but the old man was positive they were not. "They were a very old people. No one knew whence they came. Some said they were like Tartars. My grandfather said they were very strong and active, and could leap over six horses at once, and that they ate acorns and horse-flesh. Twelve houses in Hoti are descended from them, and with these we can marry. They are other blood. They are called Anas." (Anas, in the Albanian dictionary of the Bashkimi society, means "indigenous.") Nor could the old man see that, after thirteen generations of intermarriage, the stocks of Gheg Laz and the Anas must be very considerably related. There was none of the same blood, he declared. Female blood does not count.
But the idea of marrying within the stock Gheg Laz seemed to him so impossible, he would not admit that even in the remote future it could ever take place. "We are brothers and sisters. It would be a great sin."
lupo-de-mare
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Dobojlija schrieb:
Ein paar Italiener dürften da auch noch drinnen sein. :idea:
Monte-Grobar
Spitzen-Poster
lupo-de-mare schrieb:
Italiener sind viel warscheinlicher als Albaner. Vielleicht sind es paar Hundert gewesen. Aber nicht die ganzen Menschen.