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Jugoslawien während des 2Weltkrieges(Bilder und Information)

Heishiro_Mitsurugic schrieb:
Triglav schrieb:
Heishiro_Mitsurugic schrieb:
Zur Schlacht an der Neretva gibtes doch einen Film, oder irre ich mich da? :?

Ja!!!

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Szenen aus dem Film
http://www.most.ba/099100/bitka_na_neretvi_1.jpg

:wink:

Mein Vater hat einen ganzen Regal von solchen Filmen. :)

Kennst du auch "Die fünfte Offensive - Kesselschlacht an der Sutjeska"? :wink:

Klar kenn ich den!

dem Thema Sutjeska widmen wir uns auch noch :wink:
 
Involvement of Croatian Catholic clergy with the Ustaša regime

n 1941 the Independent State of Croatia was established by the Ustaša regime with Ante Pavelic as its leader (Poglavnik). The Independent State of Croatia was one of several Nazi puppet states. The Ustaša regime pursued a genocidal policy against the Serbs (who were Eastern Orthodox Christians), Jews and Roma.

The involvement of the Catholic church as a whole is controversial. There were several meetings and public sightings of Ante Pavelić, the leader of the Ustaše, with the bishops and even the archbishop Alojzije Stepinac. The creation of the Independent State of Croatia was initially welcomed by many Roman Catholic priests and the hierarchy of the Church. In the initial aftermath of the declaration of independence on April 10, 1941, many leading churchmen viewed the rise of an independent Croatia in the context of a rebirth of a Catholic state intent on following what were viewed as Christ's laws. Stepinac initially was an active supporter of the Ustaša regime headed Ante Pavelic.

Author Hubert Butler reviewed documents and newspaper accounts from the period in Zagreb after the war. According to Butler:

"I did not expect to find outspoken criticism or condemnation in the Church papers because, if it had been published, the papers would certainly have been suppressed. But I was wholly unprepared for the gush of hysterical adulation which was poured forth by almost all of the leading clergy upon Pavelitch, who was probably the vilest of all war criminals. He was their saviour against Bolshevism, their champion against the Eastern barbarian and heretic, the Serb; he was restorer of their nation and the Christian faith, a veritable hero of olden time."

"Turn, for example, to Katolicki Tjednik (The Catholic Weekly), Christmas 1941, and read the twenty-six verse ‘Ode to Pavelitch’, in which Archbishop Sharitch praises him for his measures against Serbs and Jews."(Butler, cited in Agee).

During World War II a number of Croatian Catholic priests, not only cooperated with the regime but were allegedly implicated in murders or forced religious conversions of Serbs and Jews. In a few cases the whole population of villages was killed because they were Serb Orthodox; conversely, there have been cases where villagers were superficially converted and remained alive. There were cases of local involvement in genocide, including Friar Majstorovic. Majstorovic was removed from the priesthood as a result of his participation in genocide against Orthodox Serbs in a village in north-western Bosnia.

According to Dr Mishitch, the Bishop of Mostar, even newly-converted Serbs were rounded up and murdered:

"While the newly-converted are at Mass they seize them, old and young, men and women, and hunt them like slaves. From Mostar and Chapljina the railway carried six waggons full of mothers, girls, and children under eight to the station of Surmanci, where they were taken out of the waggons, brought into the hills and thrown alive, mothers and children, into deep ravines. In the parish of Klepca seven hundred schismatics from the neighbouring villages were slaughtered. The Sub-Prefect of Mostar, Mr Bajitch, a Moslem, publicly declared (as a state employee he should have held his tongue) that in Ljublina alone 700 schismatics have been thrown into one pit."(Mishitch, cited in Butler, 1956).

Beginning in May 1941, Archbishop Stepinac began to protest the crimes of the Ustase, including the massacre of Serbs at Glina and the establishment of the Jasenovac concentration camp. Indeed, local bishops, including Aksanovic and Misic began to protest to the Ustase authorities regarding its crimes. However, according to Butler, while the Catholic leaders were willing to protest the most murderous incidents, some felt that forcible conversion offered an opportunity:

"The Archbishop’s letter reveals the regret and revulsion which the violent methods used by Pavelitch’s missionaries inspired in the Catholic hierarchy. The formal resolution, which was passed in conclave in November, 1941, was an attempt to bring the conversion campaign under the control of the Church, and to check the rule of violence. The attempt was belated since the fury had spent itself by July, 1941, three months earlier."

"If we exclude Archbishop Sharitch [of Bosnia], the author of the celebrated odes to Pavelitch and the fervent advocate of all his designs, the letters of Mgr Stepinac and the four bishops, whom he quotes, are moderate and humane. Why was the hierarchy so utterly impotent to check this inroad of fanatical barbarians into the purely ecclesiastical domain of conversion? I think the answer can be seen by a close examination of the letters [of the four bishops]. Pity for the heretic had always to be qualified, and was sometimes neutralized, by zeal for the extension of the Catholic Church. Never once did they say, ‘Let there be an end to conversions! There can be no talk of free will and voluntary change of faith in a land invaded by two armies and ravaged by civil war!’ Their concern is all for the right ordering of things…. A great opportunity had come to them. They must use it wisely, and not barbarously, for the saving of souls, but use it they must. . . "(Butler, cited in Agee).

By the end of the war, a large number of Croatians fled Croatia. This number included at a minimum several hundred Croatian priests. It is unclear how many were involved with the Ustase regime.

After the war, Cardinal Stepinac was indicted by the Communist government for collaboration with the fascist regime. There was less than one month from the moment charges were laid against him, in which he was permitted to meet with his legal counsel once before the commencement of trial. Stepinac was found guilty and sentenced to 16 years of hard labour. He served 5 years in the infamous Lepoglava prison before the sentence was commuted to home arrest due to his poor health. He was transferred back home to the village of Krašić in 1953 and died in his residence seven years later.
 
Pixi schrieb:
Triglav schrieb:
Die Schlacht an der Neretva

Basieren Deine Infos auf Fakten oder dem Drehbuch des Films? Es ist doch erwiesen, dass es nicht so war und der Film reine kommunistische Propaganda war.

wo ist denn dein Beweis....Fakten....? He He......

Operation Weiss....ca. 10 000 Cetniks haben zusammen mit der Wehrmacht gegen die Partisanen gekämpft....



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Za DOM
 
Pixi schrieb:
Triglav schrieb:
Die Schlacht an der Neretva

Basieren Deine Infos auf Fakten oder dem Drehbuch des Films? Es ist doch erwiesen, dass es nicht so war und der Film reine kommunistische Propaganda war.

Nein!Infos, Fakten ,der Text basiert aus Axishistory und das ist wahrlich keine kommunistische Propagandaseite :wink:

außer das die Partizanen im Film übertrieben heroisch dargestellt werden so wie es halt in Hollywood gang und gebe ist,wüßte ich nicht welche Ereignisse im Film nicht waren und was deiner Meinung nach gelogen ist.Mir ist auch keine kritische Stimme aus den Reihen der ehemaligen Wehrmacht,Italiener oder Deutschlands bekannt die dem Film Geschichtsverfälschung vorwerfen,die müßten es ja am besten wissen was Fakt ist.Vorallem bei so einem Film der auf der ganzen Welt gezeigt worden ist,müßte der Aufschrei groß sein!
Aber vielleicht wird das in bestimmten Kreisen Serbiens,Kroatiens und Sloweniens behauptet,was wieder mal lächerlich ist.

Die ganze Welt lügt und wir haben recht,nicht wahr pixi :mrgreen: :wink:
 
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Ustasa und Italiener Neretva 1943
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Jablanica 1942
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Neretva
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Kann mir jemand sagen was das für Cowboys sind?man beachte die Vogelscheuche,der dritte von links und der ganz rechts.
Oder haben die Hüte keine Bedeutung und gehören zu keiner Uniform.
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Vasile schrieb:
Mit der Karte stimmt was nicht. Istrien hat erst seit 1945 zu Jugoslawien gehört. Wie kann man diesen Teritorium schon 1943 als "befreit" nennen?

Ganz einfach,weil die Bevölkerung dort sich aktiv am Partisanenkampf beteiligte und selbständige Brigaden gründete,die sich der Avnoj anschlossen.Die Avnoj sah vor alle von Slawen bewohnte Gebiete im neuen Jugoslawien zu vereinen,Kärnten,Istrien,Westitalien(bis Udine)usw was aber nur teilweise,auf Grund des Druckes der Briten gelang.
Das selbe wie in Österreich(Kärnten),Rjeka oder Westslowenien was auch nicht vor 1945 zu Jugoslawien gehörte :wink:

ps.Der AVNOJ"Antifachistischer Rat der Volksbefreiung Jugoslawiens"
 
Triglav schrieb:

Das ist kein Serbe rechts. Links ist die Eugen-SS. Die Kokarda des rechten kenne ich nicht. Ist aber kein serbisches Zeichen. Der unter Teil sieht aus wie ein Zweig oder wie Eichenlaub. Auch seine Jacke ist nicht serbisch. Das muss ein Ungar, Rumäne oder Bulgare sein.

Triglav schrieb:
Kann mir jemand sagen was das für Cowboys sind?man beachte die Vogelscheuche,der dritte von links und der ganz rechts.
Oder haben die Hüte keine Bedeutung und gehören zu keiner Uniform.
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Von links

SS (Totenkopfverband), kroatischer Domobran,Vogelscheuche gehört vermutlich zu den anderen ZBOR im Bild, Domobran unbekannte Nationalität, ZBOR, ZBOR, Domobran unbekannte Nationalität, ZBOR.

Die Vogelscheuche gehört vermutlich zu den ZBOR nach dem Patronengürtel zu urteilen.

ZBOR sind immer sehr leicht durch die auffällig dunklen Kragenmuster zu erkennen.
 
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