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Kroaten im osmanischen Reich

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Zagorec
bin über diesen interessanten text gestolpert



kann mir jemand näheres dazu erzählen ?


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Islam in Croatia

Croatian Muslims


The historical names of many officials in the Ottoman Empire reveal their origin (Hirwat = Hrvat or Horvat, which is a Croatian name for Croat):


Mahmut Pasha Hirwat (= Hrvat), Rustem Pasha Hrvat, Pijali Pasha Hrvat, Sijavus Pasha Hrvat etc. In the 16th century a traveler and writer Marco A. Pigaffetta wrote that almost everybody on the Turkish court in Constantinople knows the Croatian language, and especially soldiers. Marco Pigafetta in his "Itinerario" published in London in 1585 states: "In Istanbul it is customary to speak Croatian, a language which is understood by almost all official Turks, especially military men."



This can also be confirmed by the 1553 visit of Antun Vrančić, Roman cardinal, and Franjo Zay, a diplomat, to Istanbul as envoys of the Croat - Hungarian king to discuss a peace treaty with the Ottoman Empire. During the initial ceremonial greetings they had with Rustem Pasha Hrvat ( a Croat) the conversation led in Turkish with an official interpreter was suddenly interrupted. Rustem Pasha Hrvat asked in Croatian if Zay and Vrančić spoke Croatian language. The interpreter was then dismissed and they proceeded in the Croatian language during the entire process of negotiations.
 
Wahrscheinlich ein kroatischer Janitschare gewesen, ausgebildet und aufgestiegen im osmanischen Reich.
 
wo ist Cigo :lol: Das wird ein Schlag in sein Gesicht sein. Seine "alle anderen sind Türken ausser wir Kroaten"-Theorien werden gerade vernichtet. :(
 
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also das sollte doch wieder eingeführt werden in der türkischen armee ;)
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Hersekli Ahmed Paşa

Hersekli Ahmed Paşa (Bosnian, Croatian: Stjepan Hercegović) was a Croatian[1][2] Ottoman general and statesman from Hercegovina. Hersekli Ahmed Paşa is also known as Mahmut Paşa Hırvat (Hırvat = Croat or Hırvat by Turkish historians).


Hersekli Ahmed Pa

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Rüstem Pasha


The Rüstem Pasha Mosque (center), overlooked by the Süleymaniye Mosque (upper right) dedicated to Suleiman the Magnificent.



Rüstem Pasha (Ottoman Turkish: رستم پاشا, Bosnian/Croatian: Rustem-paša Opuković) (ca. 1505 – 10 July 1561) was a Croatian[1][2][3][4] from Bosnia who became an Ottoman general and statesman. Rüstem Pasha is also known as Damat Rüstem Pasha (Damat meaning Bridegroom to the Ottoman dynasty) and Hırvat Rüstem Paşa (Hırvat = Croat or Hrvat by Turkish historians).


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Piyale Pasha

Piyale Pasha (c. 1515-1578), born in Viganj on the Pelješac peninsula, was a Dalmatian/Croatian[1][2][3] Ottoman admiral (Kaptan Pasha = fleet commander) between 1553 and 1567 and an Ottoman Vizier after 1568. He was also known as Piale Pasha in the West or Pialí Bajá in Spain; Turkish: Piyale Paşa).


Piyale Pasha received his formal education at the Enderun (Imperial Academy) in modern-day Istanbul, Turkey. He graduated from the Enderun with the title of Kapıcıbaşı and was appointed Sanjak Bey (Province Governor) of Gallipoli.


Sijavus Pasha

Mahmut Pasha



mal sehen ob ich noch einige finde
 
Wirklich sehr interessanter Thread, schade dass er kaum Beachtung findet, einige Turbo- Kroaten hier...ach...ich sag lieber nix...hihihi...

Gibts auch deutsche oder kroatische Quellen zu diesem Thema?
 
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Wirklich sehr interessanter Thread, schade dass er kaum Beachtung findet, einige Turbo- Kroaten hier...ach...ich sag lieber nix...hihihi...

Gibts auch deutsche oder kroatische Quellen zu diesem Thema?

naja da ja hier sonst so viele islam und osmanen experten rumlaufen habe ich mir gedacht das jemand näheres weiß. bin auch erst vor kurzem darauf gestoßen.

für die turbo kroaten mache ich irgendwann mal einen thread auf über den hundert jährigen krieg zwischen kroaten und osmanen ;)
 
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