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Ganz ehrlich warum konntet ihr euch nicht andere brüder aussuchen? Irgendwelche afrikanischen stämme die in hütten leben hätten mehr respekt vor unserer geschichte und unserem volk.
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Ajvatovica
Is the largest Islamic event in whole Europe and every year Muslims from Bosnia go to this place to make prayers. Legend says that Ajvaz dedo (Grandfather), prayed for water to appear, and for 40 days he prayed sabah namaz (Fajr) after which it appeared (rocks seperated and water came out). Many claim that this comes from old prayers for rain and fertility (which were part of Bosnian Church). Interesting thing as well is that date for Ajvatovica isn’t looked by Islamic calendar, instead it uses Georgian calendar.
Bosnian Muslims also have the holiday “Jurijevo”, which is common among other Slavs as well (Serbs, Bulgarians, Croatians, Ukrainians and even non-Slavs Lithuanians have it). For most of times I read Jurijevo has pre-Christian roots though. When it comes to Ajvaz dedo, some claim that it is interesting that he has the name “dedo” (grandfather) and that it reminds of the name of head of Bosnian Church (did). Other legend says he was a dervish from Anatolia who came to Bosnia in mission to convert.
Ajvatovica isn’t the only case in Bosnia. There are other places, called in Bosnian “dovišta” (dua place), where people go and believe their prayers will be accepted better if they pray in nature, if they touch certain rock or such. Some claim that this is related to Bosnian Church in a way that Bosnian Church rejected building any religious objects but had prayers in nature. Lastavica, Girl’s cave are just some of these.
In many villages in Bosnia there is something called “dova”. Dova means dua, prayer in Bosnian. And this event is something very similar to teferič (dance, music, eating, sales), just before it, there is prayer and namaz prayed. After it, people go on this event with music, dance, food and people who come there to sell stuff (something like bazaar). It is used as way to bring people from village together and to see each other more than it is concetrated on religion.
There are bunch of others Slavic and even Gothic and Celtic beliefs in Bosnia which Muslims have adopted. Mythological beings, belief in dragons, fairies, witches and so on.
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Ajvatovica
Is the largest Islamic event in whole Europe and every year Muslims from Bosnia go to this place to make prayers. Legend says that Ajvaz dedo (Grandfather), prayed for water to appear, and for 40 days he prayed sabah namaz (Fajr) after which it appeared (rocks seperated and water came out). Many claim that this comes from old prayers for rain and fertility (which were part of Bosnian Church). Interesting thing as well is that date for Ajvatovica isn’t looked by Islamic calendar, instead it uses Georgian calendar.
Bosnian Muslims also have the holiday “Jurijevo”, which is common among other Slavs as well (Serbs, Bulgarians, Croatians, Ukrainians and even non-Slavs Lithuanians have it). For most of times I read Jurijevo has pre-Christian roots though. When it comes to Ajvaz dedo, some claim that it is interesting that he has the name “dedo” (grandfather) and that it reminds of the name of head of Bosnian Church (did). Other legend says he was a dervish from Anatolia who came to Bosnia in mission to convert.
Ajvatovica isn’t the only case in Bosnia. There are other places, called in Bosnian “dovišta” (dua place), where people go and believe their prayers will be accepted better if they pray in nature, if they touch certain rock or such. Some claim that this is related to Bosnian Church in a way that Bosnian Church rejected building any religious objects but had prayers in nature. Lastavica, Girl’s cave are just some of these.
In many villages in Bosnia there is something called “dova”. Dova means dua, prayer in Bosnian. And this event is something very similar to teferič (dance, music, eating, sales), just before it, there is prayer and namaz prayed. After it, people go on this event with music, dance, food and people who come there to sell stuff (something like bazaar). It is used as way to bring people from village together and to see each other more than it is concetrated on religion.
There are bunch of others Slavic and even Gothic and Celtic beliefs in Bosnia which Muslims have adopted. Mythological beings, belief in dragons, fairies, witches and so on.
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Iuvencula
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In dem text geht es um den erwähnten "girls cave" vom oberen text..hat jetzt nichts direkt mit ajvatovica zu tun. 
Djevojačka pećina is one of the most interesting caves in Bosnia and Herzegovina. It is located on the 12thkilometer from Kladanj, in a settlement Brateljevići. A legend about a brave girl whose grave is located on a hill nearby is connected to this cave. The legend dates from the Ottoman period and it was passed down from generation to generation.
Djevojačka pećina is known by the characteristics of the ancient times and it is said to be a cult place of the Bogomolism. Drawings – engravings of horse riders, hunting scenes, deer, human figures, surfaces with spots, have been found in the cave. All these engravings and drawings refer to the period of the older stone age, Paleolithic, over 10.000 years old.
In a pre-Ramadan tradition, Bosnian Muslim girls wash their face with water from cave as local tradition claims that the water and prayers inside the cave will bring personal beauty and success for the year, near the Bosnian town of Kladanj, 50 kms north of Sarajevo, Bosnia, on Sunday, Aug. 31, 2008. More than 30.000 people gathered to pray inside and outside the cave this year.
Djevojačka pećina is one of the most interesting caves in Bosnia and Herzegovina. It is located on the 12thkilometer from Kladanj, in a settlement Brateljevići. A legend about a brave girl whose grave is located on a hill nearby is connected to this cave. The legend dates from the Ottoman period and it was passed down from generation to generation.
Djevojačka pećina is known by the characteristics of the ancient times and it is said to be a cult place of the Bogomolism. Drawings – engravings of horse riders, hunting scenes, deer, human figures, surfaces with spots, have been found in the cave. All these engravings and drawings refer to the period of the older stone age, Paleolithic, over 10.000 years old.
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In a pre-Ramadan tradition, Bosnian Muslim girls wash their face with water from cave as local tradition claims that the water and prayers inside the cave will bring personal beauty and success for the year, near the Bosnian town of Kladanj, 50 kms north of Sarajevo, Bosnia, on Sunday, Aug. 31, 2008. More than 30.000 people gathered to pray inside and outside the cave this year.
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Iuvencula
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Ich übersetz es mal grob.
Ajvatovcia ist das größte islamische event in ganz europa, jedes jahr treffen sich bosnische muslime dort und beten. Legenden erzählen das Ajvaz Dedo 40 tage für wasser gebetet hat und danach wasser aus dem stein getreten ist. Viele behaupten dass dies von alten gebeten für regen und fertilität stammt (welches teil der bosnischen kirche war). Auch ist interssant dass für das datum für ajvatovica der georgische kalender benutzt wird.
Bosnischen muslime haben auch den feiertag jurijevo welches verbreitet ist unter anderen slawen (serben, bulgaren, kroaten, ukraniner und auch den litauer die keine slawen sind. jurijevo hat vor-christliche wurzeln. Viele behauptetn dass es interessant ist das Ajvaz dedo den namen dedo (opa) hat und dass es sie an den führer der bosnischen kirche erinnert den man did nannte.
Es gibt noch andere orte in bosnian (dovista) in denen leute sich treffen und glauben dass ihre gebete mehr akzeptiert werden wenn sie in der natur beten wenn sie z.b. einen bestimmten stein berühren. Manche behaupten das dies in verbindung zu der bosnischen kirche steht da diese es abgelehnt haben religiöse objekte zu bauen und lieber in der natur gebetet haben. Ein beispiel davon ist Djevojačka pećina.
In vielen dörfern in bih gibt es etwas das man dova nennt. Dova bedeutet dua, gebet auf bosnisch. Dieses „event“ ähnelt teferic. Nur wird davor gebetet und danach tanzen die leute, essen und hören musik oder verkaufen sachen. Dies dient mehr dazu um die leute im dorf zusammenzubringen als um das religiöse zeugs.
Es gibt viele andere slawische, gothische und keltische glauben in bosnien die muslime übernommen haben. Mythologische wesen, glauben an drachen, feen, hexen und so weiter.
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Bella du hast sehr schöne Haare!
