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Endlosschleife: Mazedonier vs. Griechen

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Ich sprach über fiktive politische Einheiten als zusammengefasste Region, die Quasi als solche nicht existieren deshalb fiktiv, und nicht über Nationalitäten.

Stichwort Hellenismus hast du schon mal gehört oder? Auch fiktiv. Magna Grecia, fiktiv. Byzanz, fiktiv. Ja, Geschichte wird hier fiktiv, sehr tief.

Pozdraviii
 
ich weiß ,aber otto war ja der erste kaiser in Griechenland (eigentlich ein bavarrischer prinz)

zudem hast du dir mal die griechisch Fahne genau angesehen.. ähnelt ziemlich der Fahne ,der ostindischen Handels - kompanie

die flagge der ostindischen Handels - kompanie (1729)
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Die Erste Flagge war aber die hier:
 
Stichwort Hellenismus hast du schon mal gehört oder? Auch fiktiv. Magna Grecia, fiktiv. Byzanz, fiktiv. Ja, Geschichte wird hier fiktiv, sehr tief.

Pozdraviii

Hellenismus ist/war eine Kultur. Die ist gekommen, und wieder verschwunden.

Nicht zu vergessen das der Begriff Hellenismus, bzw. dessen zeitlicher Abschnitt, erst in der Neuzeit definiert wurde und zudem auf einen Zeitabschnitt ab Alexandars des Großen verweist.
 
Wer ist denn dieser Alexandar?

Gibt es dazu historische Quellen?



Quelle:
Bryn Mawr Classical Review 2004.02.13
Reviewed by Jona Lendering , About Jona Lendering
Mehr Info: Bryn Mawr College


...There is a problem here. The Babylonian text contradicts the Greek source that is often accepted as the best, Arrian. He says that Darius was the first to turn and run, after which the other Persians followed suit (Anabasis 3.14.3). One way to harmonize these conflicting pieces of information is to render 'The army abandoned Darius' as 'Darius abandoned his army'.6 Suspending the rules of grammar, however, will not solve the problem. We must accept that either Arrian or the Diary is wrong, and in this case we must prefer the Babylonian source, which was written two weeks after the battle. ...

...The same cuneiform tablet offers an interesting account of Alexander's diplomatic moves before entering Babylon. We read about his offer to rebuild the temple of Marduk and learn how he announced that the houses of the Babylonians would not be looted. These negotiations are not mentioned by Curtius Rufus and Arrian, who state that the Macedonians prepared for battle when they approached Babylon (History of Alexander 5.1.19 and Anabasis 3.16.3). More intriguingly, the Diary makes it clear that Alexander did not send Macedonian envoys, but Greeks. Did he consider it unsafe to send the very soldiers who had recently fought against the Babylonian cavalry?...

...The Astronomical Diaries offer further useful information. They may help us find the hitherto unknown date of the battle near Issus. Diary -332 B rev.10 mentions a solar eclipse that was 'omitted', which means that a predicted evil omen did not occur, so that there was no reason to fear the future. In this case, the omitted dangerous period would have started with the eclipse of 27 October 333 and the portended disaster would have befallen Darius within 100 days. According to the astronomical advisers in the Persian army, the great king could safely set out from Sochi and attack the Macedonians in Cilicia. Assuming that Darius left immediately after he had received his astronomer' s green light, and accepting normal marching distances for the next days, Darius must have reached Issus between 3 and 6 November. The battle took place on the next day.7

The Diaries also offer information about Babylonian food prices, and we are lucky to have tablets for two occasions when an army was staying in Babylon. In the summer of 333, when Darius assembled the army that was to be defeated near Issus, the prices were normal. On the other hand, in 323, when Alexander's army was in Babylon, the prices were higher than after an ordinary crop failure. In my view, there are two possible explanations: (1) Darius assembled his army not in Babylon, but somewhere else; (2) the king of Asia was less interested in the well-being of the populace of Babylon than of the king of kings.

Finally, it is interesting to take a look at the spelling of Alexander's name in the cuneiform texts. The correct rendering of Alexandros would have been A-lek-sa-an-dar-ru-su, but until now, no tablet has been discovered that uses this Greek name.
Instead, after some first attempts to render the conqueror's name, the Babylonian scribes settled upon A-lek-sa-an-dar.
Probably, this only shows that the scribes found it difficult to render a foreign name. On the other hand, it can not be excluded that Alexandar is the Macedonian name by which the conqueror of Asia was known to his courtiers. Cuneiform renderings of Seleucus (Si-lu-uk-ku) and other names may also offer clues for linguists studying the Macedonian language.

I am not claiming that the Babylonian sources are better than the classical texts, but I hope to have shown that they can offer useful information. Van der Spek's edition of Chronicle 8 has probably shown the name of a hitherto unknown satrap, a possible reference to Bessus, and something that looks like the execution of the famous astronomer Kidinnu. There is a lot more to be expected from Babylonia and I hope to have convinced the readers of this review that a scholar studying Alexander can no longer ignore the cuneiform texts.

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Immer die Solidarität Kommentare von Griechen die nicht aus dieser Region kommen aber trotzdem Experten sein wollen. 1.Wir kopieren gar nichts beziehen uns nur auf makedonien und nicht auf Pontier,Athener etc griechische Geschichte interessiert uns nicht.

2.Gruevski ist erst seid ende 2006 an der Macht die Statuen seid kurzer Zeit die erste Regierung Mazedoniens hat sich nicht gross interessiert für die Antike und Geschichte! Die Probleme gab es trotzdem schon immer wegen dem NAMEN!

Es ist doch so das die GR Regierung immer nach Alibis suchen wird um unser Land und den Namen zu boykottieren dabei geht es nicht um Antike Geschichte sondern um Angst vor der Mazedonischen Minderheit in GR und das von den hunterttausenden assimilierten Mazedonier mal merken das sie eigentlich gar keine Griechen sind.

Aha Intressante These das Lustige ihn der Letzer Zeit wird Ihr Selber zum Gespott vom Balkan mit dieser Walt Disney imminitation in Skopje HAHAHAHA da Braucht sich die Griechische Regierung zu Bemuehen
 
joαkиm;3326224 schrieb:
Alaksandu was a king of Wilusa who sealed a treaty with Hittite king Muwatalli II ca. 1280 BC. This treaty implies that Alaksandu had previously secured a treaty with Muwatalli's father, Mursili II, as well.


1) biste nicht witzig und kannst wieder avatar und co ändern

2) kein grieche befürwortet deine sig im gegenteil wir wollen mit sowas nicht zu tun haben danke

fyrom bleibt fyrom könnt euer land behalten
 
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