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Endlosschleife Part 2: Mazedonier vs. Griechen

Plutarch: Romans did not fight against Greeks but for the Greeks against Macedonians​


Macedonia fought three bitter long wars against the Romans, who set out to conquer the area.

In the second Macedonian-Roman War, Titus Quinctius Flamininus fought against the Macedonians, who were led by King Philip V of Macedon into the battlefield.

The ancient writer Plutarch wrote a work on Flamininus. In one passage we read an interesting detail.

According to Plutarch, the Romans did not come to fight against the Greeks, but against the Macedonians for the Greeks.

Philip V ruled over the Greeks, and so the Romans acted as the liberators of the Greeks.

We read in Plutarch, Flaminius:

It is told of Pyrrhus, that when first, from an adjacent hill or watchtower which gave him a prospect of the Roman army, he descried them drawn up in order, he observed, that he saw nothing barbarian-like in this barbarian line of battle, And all who came near Titus could not choose but say as much of him, at their first view. For they who had been told by the Macedonians of an invader, at the head of a barbarian army, carrying everywhere slavery and destruction on his sword's point; when, in lieu of such an one, they met a man, in the flower of his age, of a gentle and humane aspect, a Greek in his voice and language, and a lover of honour, were wonderfully pleased and attracted; and when they left him, they filled the cities, wherever they went, with favourable feelings for him, and with the belief that in him they might find the protector and assertor of their liberties. And when afterwards, on Philip's professing a desire for peace, Titus made a tender to him of peace and friendship, upon the condition that the Greeks he left to their own laws, and that he should withdraw his garrisons, which he refused to comply with, now after these proposals the universal belief even of the favourers and partisans of Philip was, that the Romans came not to fight against the Greeks, but for the Greeks against the Macedonians.

Source: Flamininus By Plutarch, written 75 AD, Translated by John Dryden
 
So etwas tun nur Diebe, Lügner, Verbrecher und Mörder.

7 – A foreign government, Greece, will be given the power to censor Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia.

This is perhaps the most alarming part of the document. Article 6 in the Zaev/Tsipras agreement gives the Greek government, through the Macedonian government, the power to stop anything that they deem to be hostile, irredentist, revisionist, or propaganda by private entities in Macedonia. Greece, a country which vehemently denies the very existence of a Macedonian ethnicity distinct from Greek. Greece, a country that does not acknowledge the ethnic cleansing, forced assimilation, genocide, and forced exile of the ethnic Macedonian population of Aegean Macedonia. Greece, a country that has been the perpetrator of countless human rights violations against the ethnic Macedonian population in Aegean Macedonia.
 
Do you think the Greek government will allow the song Biser Balkanski to be sung? Or will the lyrics need to be changed to remove the word Egej? Will Macedonians be allowed to sing Edna Misla Imame or will they be jailed for inciting what the Greeks claim to be irredentism? Will Macedonians be allowed to sing Kade Ste Makedoncinja or will be they jailed for singing the words “И ние право имаме, слободно да живееме, во земја наша таткова, мила Македонија” – since the part of Macedonia that is being referred to in the song is in northern Greece? Will being a member of a Macedonian folklore group that performs dances from Aegean Macedonia be considered an act of irredentism and revisionism against Greece? Will the Deca Begalci organizations in the Republic of Macedonia or any organizations that acknowledge the existence of Macedonians, present day and historically, outside the borders of the Republic of Macedonia be allowed to exist anymore within the Republic of Macedonia?

Sounds extreme? Yes, because Article 6 is extreme and the country, Greece, that will have the power to censor Macedonians, has engaged in extreme activities in their attempts to ethnically cleanse Macedonians for over 100 years.

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8 – Oh Greeks, you got us! Did we really think you guys were going to let us interpret what it means to be Macedonian?!

This part of the agreement will have dire consequences for Macedonian identity because it claims that our Macedonian identity is limited to the boundaries of the Republic of Macedonia. This simply does not make any sense because the Republic of Macedonia is home to Macedonians with roots from all parts of the region of Macedonia, including Aegean Macedonia. Macedonian history, culture, music, traditions, heritage, and identity encompass more than just what is within the borders of the Republic of Macedonia. Our Macedonian historical figures come from all parts of the region of Macedonia, not just the Republic of Macedonia. Macedonian history cannot be limited to within just the borders of the Republic of Macedonia because Macedonian history is the history of the entire region of Macedonia and the ethnic Macedonian people from that region. What about the cultural implications? Tanec, the national folklore group of the Republic of Macedonia, has Macedonian dances from all regions of Macedonia in their repertoire. Will they no longer be allowed to research, teach, and perform songs and dances from the Aegean part of Macedonia, like Zensko Beranche or Mori Chupi Kosturchanki, because they come from the northern part of Greece (Aegean Macedonia)?

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9 – A Macedonian from Bukovo, which is 2 km from the Ancient Macedonian city Heraklea, cannot claim any Ancient Macedonian heritage, but a Greek from the island of Mykonos 800 km away can?

We all know that references to Alexander the Great, Phillip II of Macedon, and Ancient Macedonia will definitely no longer be allowed, even though the Republic of Macedonia also has Ancient Macedonian ruins within its borders. The ruins of the ancient city of Heraklea Lynkestis are located right outside of Bitola in the Republic of Macedonia. Heraklea was founded by Phillip II of Macedon, and is within the Republic of Macedonia, but Macedonians will not be allowed to refer to him or those ruins as part of Macedonian heritage and history. What about the many Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia who come from Aegean Macedonia and are from villages that also fall on Ancient Macedonian land? They also will not be allowed to claim that as part of their Macedonian heritage.

Will there be an official document that supplements this agreement that outlines what exactly constitutes “ancient Hellenic history and civilization constituting an integral component of the historic or cultural patrimony of” Greece?

What about monuments and references to Deca Begalci? Or any monuments and references to events in Macedonian history that occurred outside the borders of the Republic of Macedonia and conflicts with the Greek interpretation of the events?

What will be said about the 500 years of Ottoman rule of Macedonia when the entire region of Macedonia was under the Ottoman Empire, including the Republic of Macedonia and Aegean Macedonia? What will this mean for our monuments to the Ilinden Uprising that occurred during that time? Is that part of Macedonian history going to be rewritten? Will that part of Macedonian history be owned by Greece because they have 51% of Macedonian territory?

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10 – The Greek government’s censorship of Macedonians within the Republic of Macedonia continues…

The official national flag of Macedonia from 1992-1995 will be banned from being displayed and used publicly within Macedonia. Also, any versions and artistic interpretations of the symbol will also be banned from public sites and use. Does it make any sense that this flag won’t be allowed to be displayed and used publicly in Macedonia, but the Albanian flag will be allowed?

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11 – Greece is forcing Macedonia to continue the ethnocide of the Macedonians of Aegean Macedonia. So disgusted.

Say goodbye to using the Macedonian names of the villages in Aegean Macedonia. No more Lerin. No more Solun. No more Kostur. No more Voden. No more Kukush. No more Gabresh. No more Ovcharani. No more Buf. No more Dambeni.

When Goce Delchev is mentioned by a government official will they say he was born in Kukush or the Greek version of the name, Kilkis?

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12 – I never understood why some victims of sexual assault end up in relationships with their perpetrators. This is exactly what is happening here.

Yes, you read this correctly. The Greek government will be given a direct role in revising and reviewing textbooks, materials, and curriculum used in Macedonian schools. The Greek government will have a say in how Macedonian history is taught to Macedonian children. What will they do with all the Macedonian historical figures born in the Aegean part of Macedonia? Will they even be mentioned, since they weren’t born within the Republic of Macedonia’s borders? How will they approach the genocide of the ethnic Macedonian population by the Greek government that occurred throughout the 20th century and the Greek sponsored propaganda that divided families and shattered the Macedonian soul for generations?

If this agreement is implemented, it will do so much more than just change the name of Macedonia. It will force the revision of Macedonian history. It will destroy and eradicate the Macedonian identity, culture, traditions, and heritage. It will a force a new identity on to Macedonians that is Greek approved.

This agreement is not just a change to the name. This agreement is an act of ethnocide against Macedonians.
 
Wo ist Makedonek do Koska? Wechselt ihr euch im Kampf gegen die Griechen ab?
Tiger, immer wenn ich im Battlemodus bin, dann ist Makedonec wie ein makedonischer Ninja immer wie ein Schatten, versteckt und unsichtbar für die Greco Foristen. Wenn er im Battlemodus ist, dann umgekehrt. Falls sie in absoluter Überzahl angreifen kommen wir uns gegenseitig zu Hilfe aber wir können es locker allein mit 10 Greco Foristen aufnehmen. Warum? Weil die Greco Foristen wirklich die größten Lappen sind.
 
Tiger, immer wenn ich im Battlemodus bin, dann ist Makedonec wie ein makedonischer Ninja immer wie ein Schatten, versteckt und unsichtbar für die Greco Foristen. Wenn er im Battlemodus ist, dann umgekehrt. Falls sie in absoluter Überzahl angreifen kommen wir uns gegenseitig zu Hilfe aber wir können es locker allein mit 10 Greco Foristen aufnehmen. Warum? Weil die Greco Foristen wirklich die größten Lappen sind.
Eins muss ich ihm lassen, seine Ausdauer ist nicht von schlechten Eltern.
 
Eins muss ich ihm lassen, seine Ausdauer ist nicht von schlechten Eltern.
Das sehe ich genauso Tiger. Seine Ausdauer und seine argumentative Präzision und Geschicklichkeit ist atemberaubend.
Makedonec und ich haben zusammen über Wochen die Makedonische Foristen Guerilla Kampf Taktik entwickelt.
Die Greco Foristen sind unfähig das zu begreifen, sie stehen im Dunkeln da und ihnen werden die Beine schwupps weggezogen und sie landen auf ihren dummen Greco Foristen fressen. Haben sie das verdient? Ja natürlich, denn sie agieren hier ja faschistisch und rassistisch, da kann man ihnen schon mal so richtig die Möbel gerade ziehen. Und wenn die unfähigen, ungebildeten Greco Foristen hier schon lügen und stehlen, dann sollen sie auch ihren Lohn bekommen, den sie sich verdient haben. Ein Makedone ist ein Makedone. Ein Greco Forist ist ein Kackvogel.
 
Das sehe ich genauso Tiger. Seine Ausdauer und seine argumentative Präzision und Geschicklichkeit ist atemberaubend.
Makedonec und ich haben zusammen über Wochen die Makedonische Foristen Guerilla Kampf Taktik entwickelt.
Die Greco Foristen sind unfähig das zu begreifen, sie stehen im Dunkeln da und ihnen werden die Beine schwupps weggezogen und sie landen auf ihren dummen Greco Foristen fressen. Haben sie das verdient? Ja natürlich, denn sie agieren hier ja faschistisch und rassistisch, da kann man ihnen schon mal so richtig die Möbel gerade ziehen. Und wenn die unfähigen, ungebildeten Greco Foristen hier schon lügen und stehlen, dann sollen sie auch ihren Lohn bekommen, den sie sich verdient haben. Ein Makedone ist ein Makedone. Ein Greco Forist ist ein Kackvogel.
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Alter ich kann nicht mehr
 
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