ILLYRER - PELASGER und die ALBANER

[CrazyDardanian]

hatt er es dir woll ins ohr geflüsster

ja :-s

 

[Averoff]

Albanian nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks. In addition to establishing "historic right" to territory, this theory also established that the ancient Greek civilization and its achievements had an "Albanian" origin.[18] The theory gained staunch support among early 20th century Albanian publicists,[19] but is rejected by scholars today

 

[CrazyDardanian]

Albanian nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks. In addition to establishing "historic right" to territory, this theory also established that the ancient Greek civilization and its achievements had an "Albanian" origin.[18] The theory gained staunch support among early 20th century Albanian publicists,[19] but is rejected by scholars today

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[Zenicaaninn]

Zenicaaninn dein DNA scheiss kannst du dir in dein Arsch rein tun hahah

da wurden höchstesn 10-30 menschen gedist und das ist abzockeri so ein scheiss würde ich nie glauben allein deine aussehn ist der beweise

Dann wären das 10-30 Albaner die zu 30% von den Illyrern Abstammung... ziemlich wenig für das gotterwählte Illyrische Volk findest du nicht?

 

[Averoff]

wikipedia

guck weiter unten bei quellen da stehts woher die die haben

meinste jeder idiot kann was in wikipedia reintun?

wenn du da etwas reintust ohne quellen wirds gelöscht dieser text ist da schon seit gut 1 jahr drinne

also hat er seine richtigkeit

kommt ma von euren hohen ross runter

 

[Paokaras]

wikipedia

achso english wiki mit dutzenden von quellen ist falsch,aber Youtube videos sind natuerlich akademisch richtig ^^

 

[Zenicaaninn]

Albanian nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks. In addition to establishing "historic right" to territory, this theory also established that the ancient Greek civilization and its achievements had an "Albanian" origin.[18] The theory gained staunch support among early 20th century Albanian publicists,[19] but is rejected by scholars today

wikipedia

Greco komm ihnen nicht mit Wikipedia... Wikipedia will nur vertuschen das die Albanern von den Illyrern zu 100 pro abstammen alles nur eine Verschwörung gegen die Illyrer

 

[Averoff]

naja hier die quellen aus wikipedia viel spass

1. ^ The Crescent and the Eagle: Ottoman Rule, Islam and the Albanians, 1874-1913 (Library of Ottoman Studies) by George Gawrych, 2006, page 20: "... dynamic that would remain essential for understanding the development of Albanianism."
2. ^ Kosovo: War and Revenge by Mr. Tim Judah and Tim Judah, 2002, page 12, the religion of Albanians is Albanianism
3. ^ The Oxford Companion to Politics of the World by Joel Krieger, 2001, page 475: "... frequently then and since, "The religion of the Albanians is Albanianism.
4. ^ One World Divisible: A Global History Since 1945 (The Global Century Series) by David Reynolds, 2001, page 233: "... the country." Henceforth, Hoxha announced, the only religion would be "Albanianism. ..."
5. ^ Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, Albanian Identities: Myth and History, Indiana University Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-253-34189-1, page 92 & (100)-(102)-(132)
6. ^ The Balkans: A Post-Communist History by Bideleux/Jeffri, 2006, page 423, "... form a 'Greater Albania'. Although considerable attention was given to pan-Albanianism in the West"
7. ^ Pan-Albanianism: How Big a Threat to Balkan Stability (Central and Eastern European) by Miranda Vickers, 2004, ISBN 1-904423-68-X
8. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o The practice of Archaeology under dictatorship, Michael L. Galary & Charles Watkinson, Chapter 1, page 8-17,2
9. ^ The practice of Archaeology under dictatorship, Michael L. Galary & Charles Watkinson, Chapter 1, page 8-17,2.
10. ^ a b c The Balkans - a post-communist history by Robert Bideleux & Ian Jeffries, Routledge, 2007, ISBN 0-415-22962-6, page 513, "Ethnic Albanians not only comprise the vast majority of the population in Kosova. They have also been brought up to believe that their nation is the oldest in the Balkans, directly descended from the ancient Dardanians (Dardanae), a branch of the so-called 'Illyrian peoples' who had allegedly inhabited most of the western Balkanas (including Kosova) for many centuries before the arrival of the Slavic 'interlopers'...".
11. ^ Anthropological Journal of European Cultures, 2009, Gilles de Rapper, "by identifying with Pelasgians, Albanians could claim that they were present in their Balkan homeland not only before the "barbarian" invaders of late Roman times (such as the Slavs), not only before the Romans themselves, but also, even more importantly, before the Greeks‟ (Malcolm 2002: 76-77)."
12. ^ Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible by Karel van der Toorn, Bob Becking, and Pieter Willem Van Der Horst, 1999, page 537, "Pelasgians, the mythical predecessors of Greek civilisation".
13. ^ Anthropological Journal of European Cultures, 2009, Gilles de Rapper
14. ^ Communism and the Emergence of Democracy by Harald Wydra, 2007, ISBN 0-521-85169-6, page 230, "Albanians tended to go further back in time to the sixth and seventh centuries, claiming an Illyrian- Albanian continuity and superiority over Slavic people. ..."
15. ^ Anthropological Journal of European Cultures, 2009, Gilles de Rapper, "by identifying with Pelasgians, Albanians could claim that they were present in their Balkan homeland not only before the "barbarian" invaders of late Roman times (such as the Slavs), not only before the Romans themselves, but also, even more importantly, before the Greeks‟ (Malcolm 2002: 76-77)."
16. ^ The Balkans - a post-communist history by Robert Bideleux & Ian Jeffries, Routledge, 2007, ISBN 0-415-22962-6, page 513
17. ^ Kosovo: what everyone needs to know by Tim Judah, ISBN 0-19-537673-0, 2008, page 31
18. ^ Malcolm N (2002) "Myths of Albanian national identity: Some key elements". In Albanian identities, Schwandner-Sievers S, Fischer JB eds., Indiana University Press. p. 77
19. ^ Schwandner-Sievers, Stephanie; Fischer, Bernd Jürgen (2002-09), Albanian identities: myth and history, Indiana University Press, pp. 77–79, ISBN 9780253215703, Albanian identities: myth and history - Google Books
20. ^ Schwandner-Sievers, Stephanie; Fischer, Bernd Jürgen (2002-09), Albanian identities: myth and history, Indiana University Press, pp. 78–79, ISBN 9780253215703, Albanian identities: myth and history - Google Books
21. ^ a b c Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, Albanian Identities: Myth and History, Indiana University Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0253341891, page 96, "but when Enver Hoxha declared that their origin was Illyrian (without denying their Pelasgian roots), no one dared participate in further discussion of the question".
22. ^ Priestland, D. The red flag of communism. Grove Press, p.404.
23. ^ Diplomacy on the Edge: Containment of Ethnic Conflict and the Minorities Working Group of the Conferences on Yugoslavia (Woodrow Wilson Center Press) by Geert-Hinrich Ahrens, 2007, page 23, "... They claimed that Alexander the Great and Aristotle were of Albanian descent".
24. ^ Badlands-Borderland: A History of Southern Albania/Northern Epirus by T.J. Winnifruth, 2003, front matter, "Pyrrhus who lived a century later has been hailed as primary Albanian hero".
25. ^ Diplomacy on the Edge: Containment of Ethnic Conflict and the Minorities Working Group of the Conferences on Yugoslavia (Woodrow Wilson Center Press) by Geert-Hinrich Ahrens, 2007, page 23, "... They claimed that Alexander the Great and Aristotle were of Albanian descent"
26. ^ Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, Albanian Identities: Myth and History, Indiana University Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-253-34189-1, page 77
27. ^ Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, Albanian Identities: Myth and History, Indiana University Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-253-34189-1, page 77,"The greatest expansion of Hellenic civilization and rule thus occurred thanks to an 'Albanian' and not a Hellene"
28. ^ Anthropological Journal of European Cultures, 2009, Gilles de Rapper, "They state that the Pelasgians were spread all over Europe and the Mediterranean: according to those authors, all ancient civilisations in Europe (Greek, Roman, Etruscan, Celtic, etc.) stemmed from the Pelasgic civilisation. They were the first Europeans; their direct descendants, the Albanians, are thus the most ancient and most authentically European people."
29. ^ a b c Anthropological Journal of European Cultures, 2009, Gilles de Rapper.
30. ^ Jacques, Edwin E.: The Albanians, an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present.Jefferson NC & London: McFarland 1995. xviii + 730 pp.
31. ^ The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present- 2 Vol. Set by Edwin E. Jacques, 2009, ISBN 0-7864-4238-7
32. ^ a b Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer. Albanian Identities: Myth and History. Indiana University Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-253-34189-1, page 112, "Beyond the claims of Illyrian descent and continuity a more powerful myth emerges here: that the Albanians are more Greek than the Greeks themselves because Albanians are closer to Homeric society and Homeric ideals."
33. ^ ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 196, "From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan, supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries."
34. ^ Madrugearu A, Gordon M. The wars of the Balkan peninsula. Rowman & Littlefield, 2007. p.146.
35. ^ Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, Albanian Identities: Myth and History, Indiana University Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-253-34189-1, p. 118.
36. ^ Belledi et al. (2000) Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations
37. ^ Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, Albanian Identities: Myth and History, Indiana University Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-253-34189-1, page 92.
38. ^ Epirus Vetus: The Archaeology of a Late Antique Province (Duckworth Archaeology) by William Bowden,2003,ISBN 0-7156-3116-0, page 32
39. ^ The Balkans - a post-communist history by Robert Bideleux & Ian Jeffries, Routledge, 2007, ISBN 0-415-22962-6, page 23, "they thus claim to the be oldest indigenous people of the western Balkans".
40. ^ The Balkans - a post-communist history by Robert Bideleux & Ian Jeffries, Routledge, 2007, ISBN 0-415-22962-6, page 26.
41. ^ The Balkans - a post-communist history by Robert Bideleux & Ian Jeffries, Routledge, 2007, ISBN 0-415-22962-6, page 513.
42. ^ Anthropological Journal of European Cultures, 2009, Gilles de Rapper, "Schoolbooks however differ on what they assert on the relation between Pelasgians and Illyrians: the latter are sometimes said to be the heirs of the former, especially with regard to their language (Kuri, Zekolli & Jubani 1995: 32-33)."
43. ^ The future of Southeast Europe: towards European integration by Horst Rödinger, Katharina Knaus, Julia Steets, 2003, ISBN 3-89684-352-4, page 110, "Albanian pupils are taught that Aristotle and Alexander the Great were Albanian."
44. ^ Albania: from anarchy to a Balkan identity by Miranda Vickers, James Pettifer, ISBN 1-85065-290-2, 1997, page 132
45. ^ The practice of archaeology under dictatorship, Michael L. Galary & Charles Watkinson, Chapter 1, page 9
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53. ^ Flag of Dardania
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57. ^ http://www.da.mod.uk/colleges/csrc/document-listings/balkan/07(11)MD.pdf,"as Albanians continue mobilizing their ethnic presence in a cultural, geographic and economic sense, they further the process of creating a Greater Albania. "
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[Albion]

Dann wären das 10-30 Albaner die zu 30% von den Illyrern Abstammung... ziemlich wenig für das gotterwählte Illyrische Volk findest du nicht?

hey hast du die thread verlaufen oder was es geht hier nicht um dein scheiss dna schwul test also mach dir ein eigene thread darüber ach brauchst du nicht weil deine landsleute haben schon 1000 theman über dein DNA auf gemacht


also bitte spamm nicht hier rum

 

[Zenicaaninn]

hey hast du die thread verlaufen oder was es geht hier nicht um dein scheiss dna schwul test also mach dir ein eigene thread darüber ach brauchst du nicht weil deine landsleute haben schon 1000 theman über dein DNA auf gemacht


also bitte spamm nicht hier rum

Die Threadstellerin sagt aber was ganz anderes... sie hat ja über die Genetik und DNA gesprochen und versucht es zu beweisen...

Wir haben auch einen Genetischen beweis. Meiner Meinung nach sollte der Sprachliche reichen.. aber für die ganz Harten gegner.. der Albaner - Illyrer "These" (was keine These ist .. es ist FAKT)

In der menschlichen Genetik gibt es sogenannte Haplogruppe. In diesen Gruppen werden wir alle unterteilt.
Der Haplogruppe A sind z.B. die Indianer und Sibirier mit einbezogen
In der Haplogruppe R haben wir die meisten Slawen. ( Meiste Slawische Bevölkerung ist träger dieser gruppe.

Urspung ist in Zentral Asien vor etwa 26.800 Jahren des ist nichts schlimmes ist normal jeder hat seinen Urspung aus Asien oder Afrika ..(Steinzeit..)

In der Hplogruppe e1b1b1a sind die meisten Albaner
Der Ursprung der Haplogruppe E liegt im Nahenosten vor etwa 52 000 Jahren.

Ne meine Landsleute machen keine DNA-Threads wir sind nicht so in der Identitätskrise wie manche Illyrer hier im Forum

Wieso ist das Spam wenn ich mich am Thread beteilige... ich hab dir Argumente gebracht du machst aber garkeine Gegenargumente sondern leugnest es einfach weil dir nicht dazu einfällt...