Sprachen auf dem Balkan

[pqrs]

Ich würde eher sagen von Türken


Quatsch.. es ist eher das beeinflussbare Klima

 

[Kozarčanin]

weil ursprünglich waren Slaven blond und blauäugig...

ich dachte eher orangehaarig wie pumukel

 

[Liiila]

ich dachte eher orangehaarig wie pumukel

Aaaahahahaha! Zum Glück nicht!

 

[Hajro_]

du weist schon dass die meisten bosnier ( damals bogomilen) freiwillig konvertiert sind ? du als nichtbosnier kennst dich also besser mit der geschichte des bosnischen volkes aus , als ein bosnier ? einfach nur lächerlich...

 

[LouWeed]

WHY (SOME) SCIENTISTS ARE.....BLIND...?

Believe it or not, the set of characters displayed before your eyes, the so-called Roman Alphabet, was the result of nearly 4000 years of transformation.

...from phoenicia.org
...The Phoenicians are returning..CLICK HERE
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While we can claim that it was ultimately the cuneiform script which in one way or another caused the appearance of writing systems around the Mediterranean, in the Middle East and in India, we choose a particular script, the Proto-Sinaitic, as the first recognizable form of the alphabet for reasons that will become evident later on.

Also, notice that while we are most familiar with the Roman and Greek alphabets, there are many other alphabets and even "syllabaries" that belong in the same family of scripts. Therefore, I'll try to incorporate as much of these lesser known scripts as possible into this page.(citation from http://www.ancientscript.com)

>see PHOENICIAN - LATIN alphabet

PHOENICIAN ALPHABET

HERE ARE ALL 22 LETTERS FROM PHOENICIANS

What made this the beginning of the alphabet, and not Egyptian hieroglyphs themselves? The result is simple as the Greek letter's name alpha. The word alpha in Greek does not mean anything at all, but in the original West Semitic form 'aleph it carried the meaning of "ox". In fact, it is not too hard to invert the letter A and imagine it as the head of an ox.

An ox-head is exactly the Egyptian hieroglyph Proto-Sinaitic adopted to represent the sound /'/ (glottal stop) as in 'aleph. However, the Proto-Sinaitics did not adopt the sound of the hieroglyphic. The "ox" sign did not represent the glottal stop /'/ in Egyptian. Instead, they chose the shape of the glyph (an ox) and give it the value of /'/ which is the first sound in 'aleph. This is called the acrophonic principle in case you're not familiar with linguistics.

Similarly, beth, which meant "house" and was written with sign of a house, was used to write the sound /b/. Another good example is the sound /m/, represented by the symbol of water and called mem or "water" in West Semitic. One can still visualize water's rippling in the letter M.(citation from http://www.ancientscript.com)

BUT HERE IS PROBLEM:
KARANOVO SCRIPT 3.000 BC

PROBLEM AGAIN:

PORTUGAL DOLMENS 4.000 BC

Here is a sketch of symbols that appear on a dolmen at Alvao in northern Portugal, c. 4000 BC. This is from Sign, Symbol and Script, Hans Jensen, G. P. Putnam and Sons, New York, 1969.

This dolman has symbols with a definite similarity to the Balkan-Danube script, Egyptian script, and Semitic script symbols. I selected symbols that are easily identified.

>see PHOENICIAN – IBERIAN alphabets

PROBLEM AGAIN :

BALKAN DANUBE SCRIPT 5.000-4.000 BC

>see ETRURIAN - VINCA alphabet

ALVAO DOLMEN 4.000 BC

PROBLEM AGAIN :
SITOVO 4.500 BC

SITOVO
ANCIENT MACEDONIAN ALPHABET from VENETS

COMPARATION WITH “MODERN CIRILIC” A and
COMPARARION WITH “MODERN CIRILIC” B

PROBLEM AGAIN :
ANZABEGOVO 7.000-6.000 BC

ANZABEGOVO

Following this the sound system of the official perfectly structured alphabet of the ancient macedonians, according to the uptill now notions of ours there is 35 sounds marked with 35 separate signs but if we take into considerations the fact that it was the time of the predominantly closed syllables and during the period of a disciplined alphabet of the so called continuous macedonian language, that is in the time when the dark vowel was used most, which didn’t have a specially differentiated sign, at the same time had an exceptionaly utilised sound value, then, together with the dark vowel and the so called specific macedonian (slav) sounds, the sound system of the macedonians in antiquity was made up of at least 36 sounds.This piece of information is one remarkable proof more that the official perfectly structured constitutional alphabet of the ancient macedonians represents an achievement of the macedonian civilisation and not as Zvonimir Kulunjich states (History of the alphabet, Zagreb, 1957, p. 571) that allegedly old slavonic cyrillic in fact sprang out of the greek initial alphabet from the IXth cent. which is regularly called constitutional and that allegedly from the greek unitial are taken 23 letters unchanged or slightly changed “… too, the opinion put through by Zvonimir Kulunjich that …” only syrian – palestinian semites gave the genius of the invention of the letter alphabet from which came about all the later past and present alphabets is misleading and totally wrong, because of the simple fact that the oldest north semitic inscriptions date from the XVIIth cent. B.C. As well, today seem overpast, unargumented and completely abandoned the theories of David Diringer and other western scientists that allegedly “… the historical Israelite tribes are the creators of the alphabet”.

OOPS....DOUBLE..PROBLEM
GOVRLEVO 7.000-6000 BC
FIRST PROBLEM ancient macedonian alphabet

SECOND PROBLEM secret macedonian inscription alphabet

GOVRLEVO
WHAT IS THIS : BELIEVE IT OR NOT
OSINCANI 7.000-6.000 BC

OSINCANI
HERE IS 9.000 YEARS OF TRANSFORMATION

..HOW MANY ANCIENT MACEDONIANS LETTERS...

Keeping in my mind the age of the ancient macedonian inscriptions it clearly follows that the macedonian civilisation gave the substratum of all the later derivative letter alphabets which have a gravely reduced number of sounds and signs and which are adjusted and appropriate to the sound peculiarities of the separate dialects or languages.



PRAISTORIC MACEDONIAN ALPHABET

ALL MACEDONIANS ALPHABETS HERE ARE ALL 44 LETTERS...44?..YES

GLAGOLIC alphabet





FRENCH PROBLEM?
MAZ`D AZIL FRANCE 13.000 BC

Се побиваат повеќе теории.
FROM MAZ`D AZIL TO MACEDONIA

Прво, дека Грците не се описменувачи на народите од Европа, затоа што еден Пиете уште во 1896 година има објавено еден извонреден материјал од пештерата Mac Де Азил каде што ни дава јазични единици што кореспондираат со сите оние јазични единици што ние ги среќаваме во Осинчани, во Говрлево, во Скочивирската клисура, во Долно Дупени, во Кратово, во Куманово, на бреговите на Костурското езеро, во Коринт, во Крит итн, затоа што тој јазик што постоел во времето на неолитот денес е најблизок со современиот македонски јазик.

Пиете сите тие наводи што ги имал објавено и тие знаци што сметал дека можат да имаат различни вредности, да кажеме дека го изразуваат симболот на сонцето, дека имаат наводно бројчани вредности од 1.000, 10.000, 100.000 итн, денес ние можеме нив да ги идентификуваме како знаци што припаѓаат на едно фонетско писмо, односно на едно гласовно писмо и дека тие знаци фактички се букви од тоа гласовно писмо.

Co оглед на тоа што староста која ја сервираше Пиете е некаде 25.000 години, долго време во науката се веруваше дека најстарите графити во Европа биле со старост од 25.000 години.

Меѓутоа, со дополнителни истражувачки работи во седумдесеттите и осумдесеттите години е потврдено дека староста на тие знаци не е 25.000 години, туку 13.000 до 10.000 години пред нашата ера.

И да е така, тоа е сепак многу постар период од деветти век пред нашата ера и затоа со право можеме да ги прашаме и Французите, како можат да веруваат дека Грците ги описмениле нив во деветтиот век пред нашата ера, кога популацијата на нивната територија уште 13.000 до 10.000 години пред нашата ера знаела за фонетско писмо?!

So, for instance the so called Vincha alphabet from around 4.500 years B.C. that is the alphabet of the Vindians from the surroundings of Vincha has only 26 sound values of it’s graphemes;

the phoenician letter alphabet from around 1.150 B.C. is only with 22 signs;

the etruscan alphabet from around the VIIIth cent. B.C. had only 26 sound values to it’s graphemes in the etruscan element,

the venetic alphabet only 24 letters;

the greek letter alphabet from around the IXth cent. B.C. had only 22 letters while the classical greek alphabet has 24 letters and of course it has 8 orthographic supplements and 2 phonetic two sounds (diphthongs);

the lydian alphabet from around the VIIth cent. B.C. had 22 signs,

while the lychian alphabet from around the VIth cent. B.C. was only made up of 20 letters, and similar was the phrygian alphabet from around the year 750 B.C.,

the pamphlyan alphabet and the caryan alphabet from around the year 600 B.C.;

the old hebrew alphabet from the year 1.150 – 1050 B.C. it had only 20 letters;

the runic, scandinavian alphabet had 26 letters;

the two sound karatepic alphabet from the VIIIth cent. B.C. had only 20 letters;

the punic alphabet from around the Vth cent B.C. only had 22 leters.

The ancient latin alphabet has 6 vowels, 16 consonants and 6 diphthongs in other words only 22 letters etc.

Meanwhile, only the specific macedonian sound system of the prehistoric macedonian alphabets was the real prototype to offer 38 letters for the glagolithic and 44 letters for the middle age cyrillic in which the numerical value sometimes varies from the glagolithic.

Keeping in mind the ancient macedonian inscriptions, already the monk Tsrnorizets Hrabar (courageous) from the first half of the Xth cent. A.D. with his work “О ПИСМЕНИХ ” (“ABOUT THE LETTERS”) becomes more concrete and more clarified to us when he says ”Earlier the Slavs didn’t have books, but instead with lines and cuttings read, predicted and for told the future because they were pagans. His ascertainment derives a rather exceptional connotation that “ it couldn’t be written any better with greek letters“… god or life, or church or waiting, or width, or misery or from where, or youth or language or anything else similar to this”. Tsrnorizets Hrabar (Courageous) in the beginning of the Xth cent. A.D. never says that the slavs were illiterate as prof.

Krume Kepeski literally understood it (Grammar of the macedonian literal language for secondary school Skopje 1972, p. 10) that allegedly in their fatherland the slavs didn’t have an alphabet but on the contrary, Tsrnorizets Hrabar (Courageous) testifies just as we already today are in the condition to decipher all that the ancient macedonians could “… with lines and cuttings read and predict (the future) …”, because they had composed not only the oldest preslav alphabet, but as well the oldest perfectly ordered letter alphabet for general and secret (hidden) usage in a wider context.

........our notions about the history of writing need to be drastically revised

dem Fazit ist eigenlich nichts mehr hinzu zu fuegen!

 

[kajgana]

Ich verstehe die meisten südslawischen Sprachen.

 

[Gentos]

Was mich interessieren würde ist, ob sich die jeweiligen Landessprachen viel verändert haben eurer Meinung nach ? Ich z.B. habe meine Not mit Slowenisch. Das verstehe ich fast garnicht. Wie siehts mit euch aus ?

Albanisch hat sich angefangen von allen Dialekten zu einer Sprache zu bilden.

 

[Karim-Benzema]

Ich kann nur albanisch als balkansprache sonst keine schwer finde ich die sprache der südslawen + bulgarisch und griechisch und kp irgendwie alle..leicht finde ich rumänisch weil ähnlich klingt wie bei uns und das italienisch

 

[lotus]

 

[Strahimir I]

POVELJA KULINA BANA - 29. KOLOVOZA 1189.

Povelja bana Kulina, bosanskog bana hrvatskog podrijetla, sina bana Borića, hrvatskog velikaša iz Slavonije,
je najstariji dosad pronađeni očuvani bosanski državni dokument i jedan od najznačajnijih dokumenata za hrvatsku povijest Bosne i Hercegovine. Napisana je 29. kolovoza 1189. godine #arvaticom na jeziku u kojem preteže #hrvatski jezik nad crkvenoslavenskim, s dijelovima na latinici napisanima latinskim jezikom, i kao takva zaslužuje pozornost ne samo kod povjesničara, nego i jezikoslovaca.

Njome je tadašnji bosanski vladar ban Kulin, koji ju je napisao dubrovačkom knezu Gervaziju ili Krvašu, regulirao trgovačke odnose između Bosne i Dubrovnika, dajući dubrovačkim trgovcima slobodu trgovanja u Bosni bez ikakvih nadoknada. To je prvi diplomatski dokument izdan od strane jednog vladara Bosne vladaru, tj. knezu druge države. Prijevod povelje glasi:

''U ime oca i sina i svetog duha. Ja, ban bosanski Kulin, obećavam Tebi kneže Krvašu i svim građanima Dubrovčanima pravim Vam prijateljem biti od sada i dovijeka. I pravicu držati sa Vama i pravo povjerenje, dokle budem živ.

Svi Dubrovčani koji hode kuda ja vladam, trgujući, gdje god se žele kretati, gdje god koji hoće, s pravim povjerenjem i pravim srcem, bez ikakve zlobe, a šta mi ko da svojom voljom kao poklon. Neće im biti od mojih časnika sile, i dokle u mene budu, davat ću im pomoć kao i sebi, koliko se može, bez ikakve zle primisli.

Ja Radoje banov pisar pisah ovu knjigu banove povelje od rođenja Kristova tisuću i sto i osamdeset i devet ljeta, mjeseca augusta i dvadeset i deveti dan, (na dan) odrubljenja glave Ivana Krstitelja.''

Povelja Kulina bana očuvana je u tri primjerka; dva se nalaze u Dubrovačkom arhivu u Dubrovniku, a treći primjerak, ukraden u 19. stoljeću danas se nalazi u posjedu Ruske akademije znanosti i umjetnosti u Sankt-Peterburgu. Mnogi smatraju da je to #original među poznatim primjercima. Bosna i Hercegovina je uputila zahtjev za njen povratak, no Rusija je odbila zahtjev smatrajući kako je je taj primjerak Povelje Kulina bana po svim pravnim uzusima njihovo vlasništvo.