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Chinese air defenses in Turkey a ‘virus’ for NATO
Defense officials from NATO member states have described any potential Turkish effort to integrate China-made long-range air and anti-missile defense system into NATO’s overall air defense architecture as a “virus” within the allied system and a “possibly most futile effort.”
“NATO’s own command and control system that ‘mashes’ input from allied networks is far more important than a Chinese air defense system in Turkey,” said one defense attaché from a leading NATO member state. “There is no place for China within this critical system. We would not wish to see a virus in a complex system.”
A NATO ambassador in Ankara said Turkey was disillusioned with the idea of making the Chinese-built air defense architecture NATO-operable. “I have no idea why the Turks do not see the simple fact that the alliance’s security threat perception in the next 20 years is based on China. Air and missile defense will be the top defense issue in the foreseeable future, with China being under the magnifier.”
According to Western defense officials and analysts, the central problem will be the difficulty to connect the proposed Chinese air defense assets to NATO’s critical Identify Friend or Foe (IFF) system that operates on “Mode 5,” a code that enables allied radar systems and aircraft to recognize whether an unknown aircraft is friendly or an enemy.
“Turkey has its own efforts to build the transponder part of the entire IFF system, but a fully functioning system would require the interrogator part too. To make the Chinese system NATO-operable, the Turks would require Mode 5 codes and I see no reason why the [U.S.] National Security Agency should give a nod to this crazy idea,” said one U.S. defense official.
Top Turkish officials said the controversial air and missile defense system Turkey intends to buy from a Chinese manufacturer would be automatically integrated with NATO assets stationed in Turkey.
Turkish officials see no problem
When asked about possible NATO objection to the idea of any such integration, Turkish Defense Minister İsmet Yilmaz said “he sees no problem with this.”
Murad Bayar, head of the Undersecretariat for Defense Procurement, said full integration with NATO assets was an explicit condition in the contract for the planned air defense system.
“As part of this program, a Turkish defense company will be tasked with integrating the air defense system into a network operated by the Turkish Air Force. That integration will mean integration with NATO assets, too, since the Turkish system is fully integrated with the NATO system,” Bayar said.
The much-debated Chinese bid from China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp. (CPMIEC), which won the tender Sept. 26, came in at $3.44 billion; the initial contract price was estimated at $4 billion.
The Chinese contender defeated a U.S. partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, offering the
Patriot air defense system; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S-300; and the Italian-French consortium Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30.
Under the program, dubbed T-LORAMIDS, Turkey will start contract negotiations with CPMIEC, the front-runner of the competition. If these talked fail, contract negotiations with the Eurosam consortium, the second best offer according to a grading of bids, will begin, according to Bayar. The U.S. Patriot system was ranked third. Bayar said the Russian option had been eliminated entirely.
Turkey’s own technological capabilities for air defense integration looks limited. Recently, a Turkish military software and electronics firm, Ayesas, failed to integrate about 14 Turkish radars into NATO’s Air Command and Control System. The job was later given to NAMSA, NATO’s procurement agency for allied requirements.
“Whether the Chinese air defense system can detect any ballistic missile coming from the enemy remains a big question mark,” a European defense analyst said. “Without tracking information coming from a NATO-U.S. radar like the X-band system in Kürecik, the Chinese system may either not detect a ballistic missile at all, or detect it when it is too late.”
Turkish officials say the primary function of the proposed air defense architecture would be air defenses, with an anti-missile defense coming as secondary.
DEFENSE UPDATE - Chinese air defenses in Turkey a
Defense officials from NATO member states have described any potential Turkish effort to integrate China-made long-range air and anti-missile defense system into NATO’s overall air defense architecture as a “virus” within the allied system and a “possibly most futile effort.”
“NATO’s own command and control system that ‘mashes’ input from allied networks is far more important than a Chinese air defense system in Turkey,” said one defense attaché from a leading NATO member state. “There is no place for China within this critical system. We would not wish to see a virus in a complex system.”
A NATO ambassador in Ankara said Turkey was disillusioned with the idea of making the Chinese-built air defense architecture NATO-operable. “I have no idea why the Turks do not see the simple fact that the alliance’s security threat perception in the next 20 years is based on China. Air and missile defense will be the top defense issue in the foreseeable future, with China being under the magnifier.”
According to Western defense officials and analysts, the central problem will be the difficulty to connect the proposed Chinese air defense assets to NATO’s critical Identify Friend or Foe (IFF) system that operates on “Mode 5,” a code that enables allied radar systems and aircraft to recognize whether an unknown aircraft is friendly or an enemy.
“Turkey has its own efforts to build the transponder part of the entire IFF system, but a fully functioning system would require the interrogator part too. To make the Chinese system NATO-operable, the Turks would require Mode 5 codes and I see no reason why the [U.S.] National Security Agency should give a nod to this crazy idea,” said one U.S. defense official.
Top Turkish officials said the controversial air and missile defense system Turkey intends to buy from a Chinese manufacturer would be automatically integrated with NATO assets stationed in Turkey.
Turkish officials see no problem
When asked about possible NATO objection to the idea of any such integration, Turkish Defense Minister İsmet Yilmaz said “he sees no problem with this.”
Murad Bayar, head of the Undersecretariat for Defense Procurement, said full integration with NATO assets was an explicit condition in the contract for the planned air defense system.
“As part of this program, a Turkish defense company will be tasked with integrating the air defense system into a network operated by the Turkish Air Force. That integration will mean integration with NATO assets, too, since the Turkish system is fully integrated with the NATO system,” Bayar said.
The much-debated Chinese bid from China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp. (CPMIEC), which won the tender Sept. 26, came in at $3.44 billion; the initial contract price was estimated at $4 billion.
The Chinese contender defeated a U.S. partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, offering the
Patriot air defense system; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S-300; and the Italian-French consortium Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30.
Under the program, dubbed T-LORAMIDS, Turkey will start contract negotiations with CPMIEC, the front-runner of the competition. If these talked fail, contract negotiations with the Eurosam consortium, the second best offer according to a grading of bids, will begin, according to Bayar. The U.S. Patriot system was ranked third. Bayar said the Russian option had been eliminated entirely.
Turkey’s own technological capabilities for air defense integration looks limited. Recently, a Turkish military software and electronics firm, Ayesas, failed to integrate about 14 Turkish radars into NATO’s Air Command and Control System. The job was later given to NAMSA, NATO’s procurement agency for allied requirements.
“Whether the Chinese air defense system can detect any ballistic missile coming from the enemy remains a big question mark,” a European defense analyst said. “Without tracking information coming from a NATO-U.S. radar like the X-band system in Kürecik, the Chinese system may either not detect a ballistic missile at all, or detect it when it is too late.”
Turkish officials say the primary function of the proposed air defense architecture would be air defenses, with an anti-missile defense coming as secondary.
DEFENSE UPDATE - Chinese air defenses in Turkey a
Salvador
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Um es mal auf denn punkt zubringen. Das system wird für die Türkische Luftabwehr gekauft und nicht für die Nato. Nach dem die Türkei ein neues aber auf hq-9 basierendes system entwickelt hat, wird man wohl möglich das neue system ins Nato abweher schirm integrieren.
Das die medien das nicht verstehen wollen bzw so ein Hipe drum machen, gibt mir tag für tag denn eindruck, dass wir uns auf dem Richtigen weg befinden.
Her Müslüman Kardeslerimin
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IceCold53
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War nicht so gemeint, habt ihr falsch verstanden! Haklisinis! Tüm müslüman'in ve insan'larin bayramin mübarek Olsun!
Vollkornbrot
Top-Poster
Aus einem Forum
Merhaba iyi forumlar. Askeri havacılıkla ilgilenen arkadaşlarımız için Askeri pilot nasıl olunabilir bunu adım adım anlatacağım.
İLK ADIM:
İlk olarak ilkokulu bitirdikten sonra Işıklar Askeri Hava Lisesine gidiyorsunuz. Burada normal Lise dersleri alıyorsunuz. Yani uçuş hakkında birşey öğretilmiyor. Düz liselerden tek farkı ise yabancı dil eğitimi üst düzeyde verilmesi. Ayrıca kız öğrenciler Işıklar Askeri Hava Lisesine giremiyor. Burada 4 yıllık eğitimi tamamlayanlar Hava Harp Okuluna girmeye hak kazanıyorlar.
Veya;
İlkokulu bitirdikten sonra gündüz öğrenim yapan düz, anadolu veya fen liselerinin Sayısal(MF) ve Eşit Ağırlık(TM) bölümlerinden birine gitmeniz durumunda Üniversite sınavında yeterli puanı alıp Hava Harp Okulu mülakatlarına girebiliyorsunuz.
NOT: Meslek liselerinin Hava Harp Okuluna girmesi söz konusu bile değildir!
İKİNCİ ADIM:
Liseyi bitiren öğrenciler Hava Harp Okulu başvurularından sonra eğer yeterli puana sahipse mülakatlara davet edilir. Öncelikle sağlık testinden geçen adaylarda göz kusursuz olmalıdır. Hava Kuvvetleri sitesinde her ne kadar gözde en ufak bir bozukluk olmamalıdır diye yazsada eğer sizin Üniversite puanınız beklentilerin çok üzerindeyse gözünüzdeki ufak bozuklukları komutanlar görmezden gelebiliyorlar. Boyunuz 1.63 üzerinde olmalıdır kilonuzla orantılı olmalıdır. Daha sonra sözlü mülakatlara giren adayların liderlik duygularına bakılır.
ÜÇÜNCÜ ADIM:
Bütün mülakatları başarıyla geçen adaylar Hava Harp Okuluna girmeye hak kazanırlar. Burada 4 yıllık eğitim alan adaylar pervaneli uçaklarla öğretmenler gözetiminde uçuşa çıkarılırlar.
1. Sınıf 1 Sorti
2. Sınıf 2 Sorti
3. Sınıf 2 Sorti
4. Sınıf 2 Sorti
Uçuşlar yapılır.
DÖRDÜNCÜ ADIM:
Hava Harp Okulundaki eğitimini tamamlayan harbiyeliler Teğmen rütbesiyle mezun olurlar ve uçuşa elverişlilik raporu almak üzere tekrar sağlık muayenelerine giderler. Sağlık muayenelerini tamamlayan teğmenler İzmir'de ki Çiğli Ana Jet Üssüne tayin olmaktadırlar. Burada 2 yıllık pilotaj eğitimi almaya başlarlar. Supersonic yani sesten hızlı gidebilen jet uçaklarıyla eğitimini tamamlayan Teğmenler Pilot diplomalarıyla mezun olurlar.
BEŞİNCİ ADIM:
Çiğliden mezun olan teğmenler seçeceği uçaklara göre eğitim filolarına atanırlar. Örneğin F-16 seçen bir öğrenci 143.Öncel Filo'ya atanır ve burada harbe hazırlık eğitimi alırlar. Yaklaşık 6 aylık bu eğitimin sonunda teğmenler tam bir savaş pilotu olmuştur. Eğitim tamamlandıktan sonra görev yapacakları asıl filolarına atanırlar.
IceCold53
Gesperrt
Aber muss ich vorher schon studiert haben?(z.B. luft und raumfahrttechnik?!)
Vollkornbrot
Top-Poster
Wenn du in die F-16 steigen willst dann muss du sicher durch diese Prozedur in der Türkei dafür musst du aber erstmal deinen Wehrdienst leisten. Kannst ja mal dort anrufen und Fragen was die Voraussetzung ist das man dich da annimmt.
ISIKLAR ASKERI HAVA LISESI
IceCold53
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Sok Tskederim! Hast mir auf jeden fall sehr geholfen!
