Averoff
Turkish fleet lol
Epiroten waren auch keien Hellenen sie Waren Illyrier die Chaonier, Thesproter und Molosser waren Illyrische Stämmme.
Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War 2.80.1καὶ αὐτῷ παρῆσαν Ἑλλήνων μὲν Ἀμπρακιῶται καὶ Λευκάδιοι καὶ Ἀνακτόριοι καὶ οὓς αὐτὸς ἔχων ἦλθε χίλιοι Πελοποννησίων, βάρβαροι δὲ Χάονες χίλιοι ἀβασίλευτοι, ὧν ἡγοῦντο ἐπετησίῳ προστατείᾳ ἐκ τοῦ ἀρχικοῦ γένους Φώτιος καὶ Νικάνωρ. ξυνεστρατεύοντο δὲ μετὰ Χαόνων καὶ Θεσπρωτοὶ ἀβασίλευτοι. [6] Μολοσσοὺς* δὲ ἦγε καὶ Ἀτιντᾶνας* Σαβύλινθος ἐπίτροπος ὢν Θάρυπος τοῦ βασιλέως ἔτι παιδὸς ὄντος, καὶ Παραυαίους Ὄροιδος βασιλεύων. Ὀρέσται δὲ χίλιοι, ὧν ἐβασίλευεν Ἀντίοχος+, μετὰ Παραυαίων ξυνεστρατεύοντο Ὀροίδῳ* Ἀντιόχου ἐπιτρέψαντος. [7] ἔπεμψε δὲ καὶ Περδίκκας κρύφα τῶν Ἀθηναίων χιλίους Μακεδόνων, οἳ ὕστερον ἦλθον.
Übersetzung
The Hellenic troops with him consisted of the Ambraciots, Leucadians, and Anactorians, and the thousand Peloponnesians with whom he came; the barbarian of a thousand Chaonians, who, belonging to a nation that has no king, were led by Photius and Nicanor, the two members of the royal family to whom the chieftainship for that year had been confided. With the Chaonians came also some Thesprotians, like them without a king, [6] some Molossians and Atintanians led by Sabylinthus, the guardian of king Tharyps who was still a minor, and some Paravaeans, under their King Oroedus, accompanied by a thousand Orestians, subjects of King Antiochus and placed by him under the command of Oroedus. [7] There were also a thousand Macedonians sent by Perdiccas without the knowledge of the Athenians, but they arrived too late
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Speakers of these various Greek dialects settled different parts of Greece at different times during the Middle Bronze Age, with one group, the “northwest” Greeks, developing their own dialect and peopling central Epirus. This was the origin of the Molossian or Epirotic tribes.” E.N.Borza “In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon” (revised edition, 1992), page 62
“As subjects of the king the Upper Macedonians were henceforth on the same footing
as the original Macedonians, in that they could qualify for service in the King’s
Forces and thereby obtain the elite citizenship. At one bound the territory, the
population and wealth of the kingdom were doubled. Moreover since the great
majority of the new subjects were speakers of the West Greek dialect, the enlarged army was Greek-speaking throughout.” “Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks.” Robert Morkot, “The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece”, Penguin Publ., 1996 “Still, Olympias, a Greek from Epirus married to a king of Macedon” Paul Catledge “The Greeks: Crucible of Civilization 2000″, Chapter 14, page 213 “Olympias, it seems, though Greek by birth…” Paul Catledge “The Greeks: Crucible of Civilization 2000″, Chapter 14, page 216 EPIRUS (”Hpeiros”, Mainland)North-west area of Greece, from Acroceraunian point
to Nicopolis, with harbours at Buthrotum and Glycys Limen (at Acheron’s mouth);
bordered on south by gulf of Ambracia, and on east by Pindus range with pass via
Metsovo to Thessaly.Three limestone ranges parallel to the coast and the Pindus range
enclose narrow valleys and plateaux with good pasture and extensive woods; alluvial
plains were formed near Buthrotum, Glycys Limen, and Ambracia.Epirus had a
humid climate and cold winters. In terrain and in history it resembled Upper
Macedonia. Known in the ‘Iliad’ only for the oracle of Dodona, and to Herodotus for
the oracle of the dead at Ephyra, Epirus received Hellenic influence from the Elean
colonies in Cassopaea and the Corinthian colonies at Ambracia and Corcyra, and the
oracle of Dodona drew pilgrims from northern and central
Greece especially.
belassen wirs dabei
ich kan dir tonnen solcher zitate von modernen historikern zeigen und antiken philosophen die sowas bezeichnen
aber auf ping pong habe ich momentan echt keine lust wo du mir mit irgendwelchen berichten versuchst das gegenteil zubeweisen und ich dann mit irgendwechen zitaten was "beweisen" muss
aber was eli da von sich gegeben hat (was mich überrascht hat) war gar net so verkehrt man sollte versuchen endlich miteinander klarzukommen
man hatte nie probleme vor der osmanenzeit alles was danach geschah war alles andere als gut aber nunja selbst das ist vergessen finde ich