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Lazarat

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Das Forum braucht mal wieder was wahrheitsgetreues und erfrischendes also dachte ich mir, welche Forumsbalkaner sind am sensibelsten wenn es um Geschichte geht?
Genau, unsere Griechen.

Dieses Thema wurde bestimmt schon in irgendeinem Thread ausdiskutiert aber glaube kaum das jemand was produktives gebracht hat.

Meine Quellen sind keine Blogs ala Zoran wie ihr sehen könnt, und da viele Forumsgriechen hier gerne alles für sich beanspruchen und selten mal zugeben das ihre Vorfahren keine Hellenen waren oder alles (bzw das meiste) egal ob Folklore, Trachten, Sprache, Krieger etc etc griechisch war/ist, liefere ich ihnen hierfür den Beweis.
Für den Anfang sollte das gepostete von mir reichen, man beachte bitte den Herausgeber und die Autoren.
Falls ein Grieche keine Lust haben sollte dann macht es bitte wie Achilles, unseren Lieblingsgriechem hier.
Fyromer und Shiptards sollten den Thread meiden 👀

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Athen, Attika

Ein Ausschnitt: Byzantinologue, A. A. Vasiliev would remark that “In the first half of the fourteenth century, the Albanians for the first time began to play a considerable partin the history of the Balkan peninsula… p. 613 At this time a strong movement of the Albanians toward the south began, at first into Thessaly, but extended later,in the second half of the fourteenth and in the fifteenth century, all over middle Greece, the Peloponnesus, and many islands of th Agean Sea. This powerful stream of Albanian colonization is felt even today. A German scholar in nineteenthcentury, Fallmerayer…journied through Greece and found in Attica, Boeotia, and the major part of the Peloponnesus a very great number of Albanian settlers, who sometimes did not even understand Greek. If one calls this country a new Albania,wrote the same author, one gives it its real name. (pp. 613-615, History of theByzantine Empire, 1964

https://www.scribd.com/document/105354466/The-history-of-Albanians-in-Greece

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Ein Ausschnitt:
Most historians agree that the Arvanites first settled central and southern Greece in the thirteenth century. A succession of migrations into Greece continued until the early nineteenth century. The Arvanites are thought to have originated from parts of present day Albania. Their identity has been linked to their Arvanitic (Arvanitika) or Tosk Albanian language and their practice of Greek Orthodox Christianity.

Seite 6: 1879 Greek census found that in the Peloponnese, Central Greece, Euboea and the island of Andros there were nearly 225.000 Albanian/Arvanitic speakers. This number did not include Hydra and Spetses, which were traditionally Arvanitic speaking. The entire population of Greece at the time was about 1.6 million people. Today, the Arvanitic language has survived in several towns of the Argolis. Anastasia Karakasidou’s study on Slavic speaking groups in northern Greece found that many Slavic groups felt pressure to change their last names into Greek sounding names (Karakaksidou 1997). Today many Arvanite’s bear Greek and Albanian derived last names. Some last names that are believed to be Albanian in origin include: Πλ􏰂κας, Λι􏰂πης, Κ􏰇λιας, Λι􏰂κος, Βιρ􏰄ς, Μανεσσ􏰄ς. None of the locals remember having to change their names. At the same time, in some Arvanitic speaking villages the nick- name (παρατσο􏰈κλι) of older generations are Albanian in origin. Some examples in- clude: Κ􏰇κκας, Μπο􏰈τος, Σκυρτεση, and Διλλιλ􏰄ς.

http://www.zeitschrift-fuer-balkanologie.de/index.php/zfb/article/download/390/411
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Peloponnes

Ein Ausschnitt:
"In Greece proper, the Albanians occupied large areas abandoned by the rural population, and became the only inhabitants of some of the most famous sites. They cultivated the fields of Marathon and Plataea, and pastured their flocks on Helicon and Parnassus. The whole of Boeotia, Attica, Megaris, Corinthia, and Argolis, a great portion of Laconia and Messenia, Arcadia, Elis, and Acarnania were so colonised. Indeed, the Albanians appear to have done for Greece in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries something like that which the Sclavonians had done in the sixth and seventh."

https://books.google.ca/books?id=51...ves were chiefly Thracians Slavonians&f=false

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Johann Thunmann: Untersuchungen über die Geschichte der östlichen europäischen Völker, Leipzig 1774 (S. 169–366).
1774: The author states (estimates) that vlachs represent half the population of thrace, and three quarters of inhabitants of thessaly and macedonia combined.

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Makedonien

Ein Ausschnitt: ... northwards into Macedonia pure Greeks are no longer to be found. All the communities which are included under that designation are Wallachs; or Romounoi, as they call themselves -- Greco - Wallachs, as they are called by the Hellenes

https://books.google.ca/books?id=bj... longer to be found wallachs romounoi&f=false

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Moral der Geschichte

Ein Ausschnitt: And all because the Federal State solution was rejected. And instead, the solution of the "homogeneous" National State was preferred. For the great powers of the time, it was more convenient to control a small state than ten tiny states. And over the years and telling it, we finally convinced that we are all pure Greeks. And they made us not dare to distinguish our nationality from our religion. Thus, anyone who is baptized a Christian orthodox, along with the "divine grace" gets inside the pool and his "charisma" feels like a Greek, and he has no idea what it means to be a Greek. With these and with many other mistakes, good Greeks are now considered good Christians. Time to stop this bloody scam. Writer: V. Rafailidis

http://eranistis.net/wordpress/2014/05/11/ο-φόβος-κάνει-τον-εθνικόφρονα/
 

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H3llas

οἶδα οὐκ &#94
Klar gab es Arvaniten in Athen.
Die meisten sind assimiliert und fühlen sich als Griechen.
Das ist nun jetzt keine neue Erkenntniss.
 

Yavrimou

Balkanspezialist
afti nomizoun oti emeis i arvanites eimaste 100 tis 100 diafora ap tous ellhnes. i orthodoxia mas ekane ellhnes ke eimaste perifanoi gia tin istoria mas tis kinouria ellada.

ihr denkt auch, dass nur weil Arvaniten ausm Gebiet etwas nördlich von Ioannina kommen, keine Griechen sind. Türken haben auch mehr DNA Ähnlichkeit mit Affen als Europäer, werfen wir sie gleich mit Bananen ab?
Arvaniten sehen sich zu 100% als Hellenen
 
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Gelöschtes Mitglied 12569

Guest
Das Forum braucht mal wieder was wahrheitsgetreues und erfrischendes also dachte ich mir, welche Forumsbalkaner sind am sensibelsten wenn es um Geschichte geht?
Genau, unsere Griechen.

Dieses Thema wurde bestimmt schon in irgendeinem Thread ausdiskutiert aber glaube kaum das jemand was produktives gebracht hat.

Meine Quellen sind keine Blogs ala Zoran wie ihr sehen könnt, und da viele Forumsgriechen hier gerne alles für sich beanspruchen und selten mal zugeben das ihre Vorfahren keine Hellenen waren oder alles (bzw das meiste) egal ob Folklore, Trachten, Sprache, Krieger etc etc griechisch war/ist, liefere ich ihnen hierfür den Beweis.
Für den Anfang sollte das gepostete von mir reichen, man beachte bitte den Herausgeber und die Autoren.
Falls ein Grieche keine Lust haben sollte dann macht es bitte wie Achilles, unseren Lieblingsgriechem hier.
Fyromer und Shiptards sollten den Thread meiden 

——-
Athen, Attika

Ein Ausschnitt: Byzantinologue, A. A. Vasiliev would remark that “In the first half of the fourteenth century, the Albanians for the first time began to play a considerable partin the history of the Balkan peninsula… p. 613 At this time a strong movement of the Albanians toward the south began, at first into Thessaly, but extended later,in the second half of the fourteenth and in the fifteenth century, all over middle Greece, the Peloponnesus, and many islands of th Agean Sea. This powerful stream of Albanian colonization is felt even today. A German scholar in nineteenthcentury, Fallmerayer…journied through Greece and found in Attica, Boeotia, and the major part of the Peloponnesus a very great number of Albanian settlers, who sometimes did not even understand Greek. If one calls this country a new Albania,wrote the same author, one gives it its real name. (pp. 613-615, History of theByzantine Empire, 1964

https://www.scribd.com/document/105354466/The-history-of-Albanians-in-Greece

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Ein Ausschnitt:
Most historians agree that the Arvanites first settled central and southern Greece in the thirteenth century. A succession of migrations into Greece continued until the early nineteenth century. The Arvanites are thought to have originated from parts of present day Albania. Their identity has been linked to their Arvanitic (Arvanitika) or Tosk Albanian language and their practice of Greek Orthodox Christianity.

Seite 6: 1879 Greek census found that in the Peloponnese, Central Greece, Euboea and the island of Andros there were nearly 225.000 Albanian/Arvanitic speakers. This number did not include Hydra and Spetses, which were traditionally Arvanitic speaking. The entire population of Greece at the time was about 1.6 million people. Today, the Arvanitic language has survived in several towns of the Argolis. Anastasia Karakasidou’s study on Slavic speaking groups in northern Greece found that many Slavic groups felt pressure to change their last names into Greek sounding names (Karakaksidou 1997). Today many Arvanite’s bear Greek and Albanian derived last names. Some last names that are believed to be Albanian in origin include: Πλﰂκας, Λιﰂπης, Κﰇλιας, Λιﰂκος, Βιρﰄς, Μανεσσﰄς. None of the locals remember having to change their names. At the same time, in some Arvanitic speaking villages the nick- name (παρατσοﰈκλι) of older generations are Albanian in origin. Some examples in- clude: Κﰇκκας, Μποﰈτος, Σκυρτεση, and Διλλιλﰄς.

http://www.zeitschrift-fuer-balkanologie.de/index.php/zfb/article/download/390/411
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Peloponnes

Ein Ausschnitt:
"In Greece proper, the Albanians occupied large areas abandoned by the rural population, and became the only inhabitants of some of the most famous sites. They cultivated the fields of Marathon and Plataea, and pastured their flocks on Helicon and Parnassus. The whole of Boeotia, Attica, Megaris, Corinthia, and Argolis, a great portion of Laconia and Messenia, Arcadia, Elis, and Acarnania were so colonised. Indeed, the Albanians appear to have done for Greece in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries something like that which the Sclavonians had done in the sixth and seventh."

https://books.google.ca/books?id=51...ves were chiefly Thracians Slavonians&f=false

——-
Johann Thunmann: Untersuchungen über die Geschichte der östlichen europäischen Völker, Leipzig 1774 (S. 169–366).
1774: The author states (estimates) that vlachs represent half the population of thrace, and three quarters of inhabitants of thessaly and macedonia combined.

——-

Makedonien

Ein Ausschnitt: ... northwards into Macedonia pure Greeks are no longer to be found. All the communities which are included under that designation are Wallachs; or Romounoi, as they call themselves -- Greco - Wallachs, as they are called by the Hellenes

https://books.google.ca/books?id=bj... longer to be found wallachs romounoi&f=false

——-
Moral der Geschichte

Ein Ausschnitt: And all because the Federal State solution was rejected. And instead, the solution of the "homogeneous" National State was preferred. For the great powers of the time, it was more convenient to control a small state than ten tiny states. And over the years and telling it, we finally convinced that we are all pure Greeks. And they made us not dare to distinguish our nationality from our religion. Thus, anyone who is baptized a Christian orthodox, along with the "divine grace" gets inside the pool and his "charisma" feels like a Greek, and he has no idea what it means to be a Greek. With these and with many other mistakes, good Greeks are now considered good Christians. Time to stop this bloody scam. Writer: V. Rafailidis

http://eranistis.net/wordpress/2014/05/11/ο-φόβος-κάνει-τον-εθνικόφρονα/
das griechische Dokument das du postest sagt nichts über Albaner.

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Damals gab es viele Albaner in Griechenland aber wo sind sie heute ?
Es waren arvaniten die mit den heutigen Albaner nichts am Hut hatten.
 
L

Lazarat

Guest
In dem fall haben die heutigen griechen mit den antiken griechen nichts am hut, ooops
 

Gohan

Saiyajin
Teammitglied
Arvaniten sind Albaner, oder denkt ihr Arvaniten wären eine griechischer Stamm haha. Immer dieses ja, aber sie fühlen sich als Griechen. Das ist doch gar nicht die Frage, wenn man Völker assimiliert.
 
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