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Hellas in der Türkei

Eine neuer Name in Kleinasien: NIKO

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Greek speaking Muslims
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Secret Christians - Cretans - Pontus Greek Muslims

In Turkey, there are two main Greek speaking Muslim ethnic groups: One of them are the Muslim Greek refugees coming from Crete called Cretans. The other group lives near Black Sea, Pontus. The largest group speaking Pontic Greek lives in 5-6 villages in Tonya, Trabzon and in nearly 50 villages at the valley Yukarı Solaklı that is south of Of. And also there are at least two villages established by the emmigrants at Sakarya near Constantinople (Istanbul). The language they speak is a dialect of archaic Cappadocian Greek that is probably not spoken in Turkey now. They are Sunni Muslims, but it is claimed that some of the Pontus Greek Muslims are secret Christians.

There's no satisfactory research made on the Pontus Muslims. They speak Greek and carry on Greek (Roman) traditions but they refuse to be accepted in an ethnic group other than the Turks. They call themsevels Turkos and their language as Romaika. They conside r the real Greeks as a seperate race and call them as O Romeos. Many researches agree on that they are converted to Islam at 1700s. The archaic dialect is still living and spoken fluently by the young generation. Most women can only speak the Pontus Greek. Their population is estimated between 200.000-300.000. But in near future, there's no hope for the language to survive, because of the television and high rate of immigration.

There's no population estimation about the Cretans but I guess their number as 500.000. They live in the villages near Aegean Sea, Mediterenean Sea and Marmara Sea. These villages had generally occupied by the Greeks living in Mikra Asia. After 1922, the Orthodox Greeks in Turkey and the Muslims in Greece were exchanged by the goverments. There are also many Cretan Greeks living in large seaside towns as Izmir(Smyrni), Antalya, Ayvalık. The old generation is still speaking Cretan Greek. Some of them, the old individuals are monolingual. But the young generation can speak only Turkish. The language will dissapear after a few generation.

These two Greek dialects have no chance to live in Mikra Asia for long. As the Greeks are considered to be enemies, speaking Greek language attracts no symphaty. The children are educated in Turkish and nearly every house has a television 24 hour broadcas ting Turkish.


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Fazit:
Die natürliche Religion Kleinasiens ist das Christentum (wenn man das Klassische hier auslässt).
 
Greek speaking Muslims
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Secret Christians - Cretans - Pontus Greek Muslims

In Turkey, there are two main Greek speaking Muslim ethnic groups: One of them are the Muslim Greek refugees coming from Crete called Cretans. The other group lives near Black Sea, Pontus. The largest group speaking Pontic Greek lives in 5-6 villages in Tonya, Trabzon and in nearly 50 villages at the valley Yukarı Solaklı that is south of Of. And also there are at least two villages established by the emmigrants at Sakarya near Constantinople (Istanbul). The language they speak is a dialect of archaic Cappadocian Greek that is probably not spoken in Turkey now. They are Sunni Muslims, but it is claimed that some of the Pontus Greek Muslims are secret Christians.

There's no satisfactory research made on the Pontus Muslims. They speak Greek and carry on Greek (Roman) traditions but they refuse to be accepted in an ethnic group other than the Turks. They call themsevels Turkos and their language as Romaika. They conside r the real Greeks as a seperate race and call them as O Romeos. Many researches agree on that they are converted to Islam at 1700s. The archaic dialect is still living and spoken fluently by the young generation. Most women can only speak the Pontus Greek. Their population is estimated between 200.000-300.000. But in near future, there's no hope for the language to survive, because of the television and high rate of immigration.

There's no population estimation about the Cretans but I guess their number as 500.000. They live in the villages near Aegean Sea, Mediterenean Sea and Marmara Sea. These villages had generally occupied by the Greeks living in Mikra Asia. After 1922, the Orthodox Greeks in Turkey and the Muslims in Greece were exchanged by the goverments. There are also many Cretan Greeks living in large seaside towns as Izmir(Smyrni), Antalya, Ayvalık. The old generation is still speaking Cretan Greek. Some of them, the old individuals are monolingual. But the young generation can speak only Turkish. The language will dissapear after a few generation.

These two Greek dialects have no chance to live in Mikra Asia for long. As the Greeks are considered to be enemies, speaking Greek language attracts no symphaty. The children are educated in Turkish and nearly every house has a television 24 hour broadcas ting Turkish.


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Fazit: Die natürliche Religion Kleinasiens ist das Christentum.







Fazit: Hätte man den Bevölkerungaustausch damals nicht auf Basis der Religion, sondern auf Basis der tatsächlichen Ethnie dieser Menschen bewerkstelligt, dann hätte man nicht 100'000e ethnischer Griechen sozusagen gratis an die Türkei verschenkt, und müsste heute nicht beklagen, wie jene Kinder langsam aber sicher ihre Muttersprache vergessen. Aber dank dem Brett vor dem Kopf vieler griechischer Politiker von damals, lief das ja halt anders. Das Gleiche gilt auch für die Menschen und deren Kinder aus anderen griechischen Diasporagemeinschaften, von Kalabrien, über Albanien und Bulgarien, bis hin nach Russland.

Heraclius
 
Greece in Asia Minor: Amastris, Sagalassós, Safrámpolis

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Eine weltweit bekannte griechische Stadt: Konstantinopel (Is Tas Polis, IsTanBol)
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Amastris (trk.: Amasra)
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Amastris (trk.: Amasra)
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Islamisierte Griechinnen beim baden am Strand von Amastris (trk.: Amasra)
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Sagalassós (Sagalassós)
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Sagalassós (trk.: Sagalassós)
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Sagalassós (trk.: Sagalassós)
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Das Nymphäum zu Sagalassós (trk.: Sagalassós)
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Sagalassós (trk.: Sagalassós)
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Theater zu Sagalassós (trk.: Sagalassós)
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Das Nymphäum zu Sagalassós (trk.: Sagalassós)
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Das Nymphäum zu Sagalassós (trk.: Sagalassós)
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Islamisierte Griechinnen am Ufer blicken auf das Viertel Galata (trk.: Galata)
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Hagia Sophia zu Konstantinopel
Hier hielten die Griechen ihren Gottesdienst ab, bevor sie islamisieren mussten
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Das Xanthos-Tal
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Das Xanthos-Tal
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Safrámpolis (trk.: Safrámbolu, klick)
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Safrámpolis (trk.: Safrámbolu)
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Safrámpolis (trk.: Safrámbolu)
Alle islamischen Moscheen sind Nachbauten griechisch-christlicher Kirchen.
Dadurch bleibt der Kulturkreis in sich geschlossen: griechisch geprägt!

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Fazit: Hätte man den Bevölkerungaustausch damals nicht auf Basis der Religion, sondern auf Basis der tatsächlichen Ethnie dieser Menschen bewerkstelligt, dann hätte man nicht 100'000e ethnischer Griechen sozusagen gratis an die Türkei verschenkt, und müsste heute nicht beklagen, wie jene Kinder langsam aber sicher ihre Muttersprache vergessen. Aber dank dem Brett vor dem Kopf vieler griechischer Politiker von damals, lief das ja halt anders. Das Gleiche gilt auch für die Menschen und deren Kinder aus anderen griechischen Diasporagemeinschaften, von Kalabrien, über Albanien und Bulgarien, bis hin nach Russland.

Heraclius

Aber es passt sehr gut in diese Zeit. Religion war damals das Ausschlusskriterium.
Da wurden auch mal ethnische Hürden umwunden.
 
Ihr werdet wohl auch in den nächsten 1000 Jahren Istanbul oder wie ihr es nennt Konstantinopel nachweinen. :lol:
Keine Sorge, wir benutzen beide Namen. Auch nehmen wir Euch nicht Übel, dass ihr beim ersteren nur nuschelt und es so komisch klingt.


Alles gut.
 
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