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[Paokaras]

Was ist mit dem Genozid an den Camen?

Meinst du die?

During the Axis occupation of Greece between 1941 and 1944 parts of the Cham Albanian minority Albanian: Çamë, Greek: Τσάμηδες, Tsamides) in the Thesprotia prefecture, northwestern Greece, collaborated with the occupation forces.[1][2][3] Fascist Italian as well as Nazi German propaganda promised that the region would be awarded to Albania (then in personal union with Italy) after the end of the war. As a result of this pro-Albanian approach, many Muslim Chams actively supported the Axis operations and committed a number of crimes against the local population both in Greece and Albania


From 29 July – 31 August 1943, while the region was typically under Italian occupation, a combined German and Cham force launched an anti-partisan sweep operation codenamed Augustus.[32] During the subsequent operations, 600 Greek villagers were killed and 70 villages in the region were destroyed. 500 Greek citizens were taken hostages and 160 of them were sent to forced labour in Nazi Germany


On the night of 27 September, Cham militias arrested 53 prominent Greek citizens in Paramythia and executed 49 of them two days later. This action was orchestrated by the brothers Nuri and Mazar Dino (an officer of the Cham militia) in order to get rid of the town's Greek representatives and intellectuals. According to German reports, Cham militias were also part of the firing squad


On 30 September, the Swiss representative of the International Red Cross, Hans-Jakob Bickel, visited the area and concluded:[39]

20,000 Albanians, with Italian and now German support, spread terror to the rest of the population. Only in the region of Fanari 24 villages were destroyed. The entire harvest was taken by them. In my trip I realized that the Albanians kept the Greeks terrified inside their homes. Young Albanians, just finished from school, wandered heavily armed. The Greek population of Igoumenitsa had to find refuge in the mountains. The Albanians had stolen all the cattle and the fields remain uncultivated.

 

[Barbaros]

Meinst du die?

During the Axis occupation of Greece between 1941 and 1944 parts of the Cham Albanian minority Albanian: Çamë, Greek: Τσάμηδες, Tsamides) in the Thesprotia prefecture, northwestern Greece, collaborated with the occupation forces.[1][2][3] Fascist Italian as well as Nazi German propaganda promised that the region would be awarded to Albania (then in personal union with Italy) after the end of the war. As a result of this pro-Albanian approach, many Muslim Chams actively supported the Axis operations and committed a number of crimes against the local population both in Greece and Albania


From 29 July – 31 August 1943, while the region was typically under Italian occupation, a combined German and Cham force launched an anti-partisan sweep operation codenamed Augustus.[32] During the subsequent operations, 600 Greek villagers were killed and 70 villages in the region were destroyed. 500 Greek citizens were taken hostages and 160 of them were sent to forced labour in Nazi Germany


On the night of 27 September, Cham militias arrested 53 prominent Greek citizens in Paramythia and executed 49 of them two days later. This action was orchestrated by the brothers Nuri and Mazar Dino (an officer of the Cham militia) in order to get rid of the town's Greek representatives and intellectuals. According to German reports, Cham militias were also part of the firing squad


On 30 September, the Swiss representative of the International Red Cross, Hans-Jakob Bickel, visited the area and concluded:[39]

Das kommt mir bekannt vor. Errinert mich an eine ähnliche Situation wo eine Bande die sich Daschnaken nannten in Anatolien bewaffnet wurden durch die russischen und französischen Besatzer und ähnliche Massacker an muslimischen Zivilisten beganngen haben.

 

[RegiEpirotarum]

Meinst du die?

During the Axis occupation of Greece between 1941 and 1944 parts of the Cham Albanian minority Albanian: Çamë, Greek: Τσάμηδες, Tsamides) in the Thesprotia prefecture, northwestern Greece, collaborated with the occupation forces.[1][2][3] Fascist Italian as well as Nazi German propaganda promised that the region would be awarded to Albania (then in personal union with Italy) after the end of the war. As a result of this pro-Albanian approach, many Muslim Chams actively supported the Axis operations and committed a number of crimes against the local population both in Greece and Albania


From 29 July – 31 August 1943, while the region was typically under Italian occupation, a combined German and Cham force launched an anti-partisan sweep operation codenamed Augustus.[32] During the subsequent operations, 600 Greek villagers were killed and 70 villages in the region were destroyed. 500 Greek citizens were taken hostages and 160 of them were sent to forced labour in Nazi Germany


On the night of 27 September, Cham militias arrested 53 prominent Greek citizens in Paramythia and executed 49 of them two days later. This action was orchestrated by the brothers Nuri and Mazar Dino (an officer of the Cham militia) in order to get rid of the town's Greek representatives and intellectuals. According to German reports, Cham militias were also part of the firing squad


On 30 September, the Swiss representative of the International Red Cross, Hans-Jakob Bickel, visited the area and concluded:[39]

Vielen Dank für die Bestätigung. Einen besseren Beweis hättest du nicht liefern können.

 

[Paokaras]

Das kommt mir bekannt vor. Errinert mich an eine ähnliche Situation wo eine Bande die sich Daschnaken nannten in Anatolien bewaffnet wurden durch die russischen und französischen Besatzer und ähnliche Massacker an muslimischen Zivilisten beganngen haben.

Auch bei den Camen gab es unschuldige die vertrieben und ermordet wurden. Es war aber kein Genozid, die meisten Camen flohen nach Albanien nachdem der Krieg verloren war um sich vor Griechische Racheaktionen zu schützen

 

[Ivo2]

Salat bitte, das ist kein Essen
Was hast Du dagegen das ich potentielle Betrüger entlarve ?

Weil es dir nicht darum geht potentielle Betrüger zu entlarven. Also kehr vor der eigenen Tür. Also Groupie von Erdogan hättest du jede Menge an Betrügereien zu entlarven.

 

[Barbaros]

Auch bei den Camen gab es unschuldige die vertrieben und ermordet wurden. Es war aber kein Genozid, die meisten Camen flohen nach Albanien nachdem der Krieg verloren war um sich vor Griechische Racheaktionen zu schützen

Klar nach solchen Erreignissen waren die Unschuldigen Zivilisten dann später die Opfer von Racheakten. Wie gesagt diese Aktion ist sich ähnlich. Eine Minderheit die mit vorrückenden Besatzern sich zusammentut und Verbrechen an Leuten mit denen sie vorher als Nachbarn zusammengelebt haben begehen. Ausbaden tun es später die Unschuldigen unter Ihnen die mit der ganzen Sache nichts zutun haben. Das wollte ich nur mal so erwähnen weil es mir aufgefallen ist.

 

[Diaselo]

Was ist mit dem Genozid an den Camen?

Genozid welches Genozid es gab Grolltaten aber kein Genozid und wo waren noch mal die Camen achja haben gemeinsame Sache mit den italienern und Nazis gemacht.

 

[Sokrates]

Was ist mit dem Genozid an den Camen?

Wurde ausreichend beantwortet. Was ist mit dem Genozid an den Serben durch die Albaner? Wenn man so manchen Forums-Serben hört, dann gab es diesen immer und zu jeder Zeit

 

[RegiEpirotarum]

Haha vielen Dank für eure Bestätigungen. Nach Maradona seid ihr als Gruppe hier die widerlichste. Doppelmoral pur.

 

[Tigerfish]

Haha vielen Dank für eure Bestätigungen. Nach Maradona seid ihr als Gruppe hier die widerlichste. Doppelmoral pur.

Das lustige dabei ist, dass der Vorwurf ausgerechnet von Griechen kommen muss das ändere Völker mit den Nazis kollaboriert haben. Gerade sie selbst haben mit den Nazis so heftig gebumst, d.h. Peleponnes gebebt hat. Seitdem ist die griechische Halbinsel judenfrei.