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Kurti und Vucic in jungen Jahren ist das komplette Ebenbild, Vucic hat nie eine Waffe in der Hand gehabt, auch wenn er mal hier und da gesehen wurde. Vucics reden über Grossserbien und Kurtis Reden über grossalbanien sind gleich, Vucic hat nicht im serbischen Parlament Bomben einschmuggeln lassen, wie Kurti es im Kosovo Parlament tat, als man den brüsser Vertrag bestätigen musste der Kosovo Serben mehr rechte zur Selbstverwaltung kriegen sollten. Das sind schon terroristische Taten, in Deutschland wäre Kurti im Knast gelandet und für immer aus der Politik verbannt worden, Ruachbomben im höchsten Staatsinstitut. Wenn das für dich normal ist und nicht faschistisch, weil man so mehr rechte für Serben verhindern wollte, dann ok.

Mit dem Unterschied, Vucic hat sich für die Vergangenheit entschuldigt, fährt seit Ewigkeiten ein EU Kurs, und hat als Premier/Präsident nie solche Aussagen getätigt, Kurti dagegen ist heute immernoch so wie Vucic in den 90ern, ist sogar Premier, Kurti ist für ein grossalbanien, bis heute. Vucic war als Radikaler nie Premier/Präsident, Vucic sagt heute das gegenteil, das er alle Grenzen vom Balkan respektiere, und das seit dem 1 Tag seiner Machtergreifung.

Oh je, oh je…. :lol:
 
@Bagsi sehe grad das dich im anderen Forum, sogar die Serben dort als rückgratslos bezeichnen😂😂😂

Was soll man groß noch dazu sagen
 
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Ein sehr aufschlussreicher Artikel über den Hass gegenüber Albanern in Serbien, der auch mit Zahlen, Daten und Fakten und Erfahrungen belegt wird. Also genau das, was ich hier andauernd anprangere und die selben Fragestellungen die ich hier andauernd aufwerfe: wie stellst sich Serbien und seine Gesellschaft die Rückkehr des Kosovo in den serbischen Staatsverbund vor?!​

Hatered against Albanians in Serbia has not died yet, we don’t know when it will​


By Aleksej Kišjuhas

Albanophobia in Serbia is not dead and we do not know when it will be. And what an extremely strange feeling of fear, contempt and hatred towards Albanians, at least for a country and a society that formally wants a Kosovo with a majority Albanian population in its composition, is it not? Or does Serbia, in the bad old habit, want Kosovo – but without Kosovo Albanians?

Indeed, on the front page of the pro-regime Informer newspaper and on all newsstands in Serbia, the headline recently appeared: ‘The West has denied visas to a fake country. Europe, here are Šiptar! Take them all to the EU!” Wait, what? Is not the point of state policy to reintegrate Albanians into Serbia?

Why is the Informer using insulting words to expel them from Kosovo to the hated Europe? What a mess is this in your head? The tabloids are, in fact, a continuation of the war by other means. As an argument for Kosovo’s independence from Serbia, Kosovo Prime Minister Kurti must show this front page in Brussels.

That, and countless others. Albanians are constantly presented as ‘Šiptari’ in the aforementioned newspapers, as in ‘Šiptari want to wipe out the Serbs’, ‘Šiptari are preparing for war’, ‘ Šiptari are preparing terrorist attacks all over Europe’, ‘ Šiptari are totally insane’, and so on in the tabloids.

According to one study, Informer published 20 texts with the pejorative word “Šiptar” in January 2017 alone. And yes, once and for all, the term is rude and insulting, even though Albanians are sometimes referred to by a similar name (Shqipetar).

About the same as the term ‘nigger’, which is just as offensive and racist, even though some American blacks call each other that. But imagine the New York Times saying on its front pages that ‘blacks are preparing for war’, ‘blacks want to wipe out Americans’, ‘blacks are going completely mad’, or ‘Europe, here come the blacks’?

“People of the forest”: Let’s try to be rational and not get emotional. If you were Kosovo Albanians – would you want to live in such a country, media and social environment? According to a survey by the Institute of Social Sciences (2020), only a third of Serbs (31%) would accept marriage to an Albanian man or woman.

And 24 per cent of Serbs would agree to an Albanian being President of Serbia. This tells us almost everything about our common future. Let us recall the treatment of a single Albanian, Shaip Kamberi from Bujanovac, in the Serbian Parliament (his arrest was demanded by the Vice-President of the latter).

What would you do if there were thirty or fifty? And Prime Minister Brnabić said in 2019 that “Pristina is not thinking rationally” and that “you are dealing with people who have literally come out of the woods”. Although she probably meant former members of the KLA, it is indicative of a (too) long view of Albanians as irrational barbarians and beyond civilisation.

Kosovo Albanians then responded on social media with humour and sarcastic hashtags “We are literally out of the woods now” (#LiterallyFromtheWoods) and “People out of the woods” (#PeopleFromtheWoods), along with selfies in front of some trees.

Disguised Serbs: And it’s not from yesterday, and that’s the whole art. Another Serbia’s Prime Minister Vladan Đorđević (1897-1900) described Albanians as savages and tribal people who had no history and were unfit for a country. In deadly and racially serious terms, Đorđević claimed that Albanians were “European redskins” who “sleep in trees with their tails attached to them”. Both in Government and in the Serbian Academy.

Its president, the famous scientist Jovan Cvijić, has described Kosovo Albanians as “despicable and hidden Serbs”. And he insisted super-scientifically that Serbia had to go to the sea via Albania (the port of Durres) “for the necessities of life”, drawing various geographical and ethnographic maps on that great Serbian occasion. Well, there’s that Cvijic on our 500 Dinar banknote, in the country to which we would like to bring Albanians. But how, please?

Colonisation policies: If, for example, in 1937 the academic Vaso Čubrilović wrote a memorandum for the government in which he openly proposed the complete ethnic cleansing of Kosovo from Albanians. For him, Albanians are a “hostile and foreign element”, which is why he criticizes “Western” methods in dealing with ethnic problems, and proposes arrests, the clearing of cemeteries, the cutting down of forests and the release of dogs, i.e. naked repression.

In 1939, Ivo Andric, ambassador in Nazi Berlin, wrote his essay on solving the “Albanian question” by assimilation and emigration, for Serbia’s exit to the glorious sea. According to Dimitrije Tucovic (1914), the chauvinist press in Serbia spread stereotypes of Albanians as barbarians and a “human variety” that should be civilised.

And yes, various colonial masters, the English, the French and the Spanish, the Americans and the Russians, had similar racist attitudes. But also we in Serbia, with an active policy of colonisation, repression and apartheid.

Note: if we think of this as an ugly racist and colonial past, let us think twice. Fast forward a few decades and SANU produced a Memorandum (1986) in which Kosovo Albanians are presented as savage murderers and rapists persecuting the Serbian people.

In 1981, Serbia also used naked force after a demonstration demanding that Kosovo become the seventh republic and the Albanians the constituent nation of the SFRJ. At that time, dozens of Albanians were killed, a state of emergency was declared with tanks, and over 4.000 Albanians were arrested and sentenced to imprisonment.

While Dobrica Ćosić, academic, first president of FR Yugoslavia and so-called “father of the nation”, wrote about Kosovo Albanians in 1999: “This social, political and moral remnant of the tribal barbarian Balkans takes America and the Europe of the Union as allies against the most democratic, civilised, enlightened Balkan people – the Serbian people.” The only epithets attributed to Kosovo Albanians in Čosić’s hate speech are those of ‘šiptar terrorists’, drug and human organ traffickers. As if they were not people, but – people from trees.

Mother Teresa instead of Cvijic: If Serbia were serious about the “Kosovo is Serbia” policy, instead of just printing it on T-shirts for right-wing extremists, it would behave very differently. For example, the Albanian language would be taught in schools in Serbia. And President Vucic would boast on Instagram that he is actively studying it.

We would be marking mass graves, talking about refrigerator cars and apologising for the war crimes of the Milosevic regime. We would be changing the constitution and redefining Serbia as a country of Serbian, Albanian and all other peoples. We would translate books by Kosovo writers and scholars.

The National Bank of Serbia would replace the banknote with Cvijic with Mother Teresa (or Ibrahim Rugova). We would also cheer for Kosovo athletes judokas Majlinda Kelmendi and Distria Krasnici, and Djaka and Shaćiri, football players. Radio stations will also broadcast popular music from Kosovo, and concerts by Dua Lipa and Rita Ora would have been organised in Belgrade.

For all this would mean that we are really serious about Kosovo (remaining) part of Serbia and that we are offering Albanians a sincere hand of reconciliation. Impossible? Unthinkable? Maybe It is. But that is precisely why Kosovo in Serbia is quite a bit unthinkable – without the war and exodus that Informer calls for.

And if Kosovo never gets a chair at the United Nations or a flag on a flagpole on the East River, the next question remains. What have we as a society done to ensure that Albanians are equal and accepted citizens of our Republic?

Instead of colonial and racist dehumanisation as terrorists on duty, drug dealers, bakers with tails or from trees? Why are there no “special connections” with these people when they enter college or receive treatment in clinical centres? Should we then wonder why Kosovo Albanians do not want to live in Serbia? And do we sincerely want this – ourselves?

After all, who are today the only European “Indians” incapable of an organized state, in deep disagreement with the values of modernity and the West? Enlightenment, secularism and the rule of law, instead of the rule of kinship ties, party corruption, tribal crime, and support for Russia? Who is the “moral precipitate” of the Balkans? Kosovo Albanians or Serbian tabloids?

 
LoL, gaze Forum. Du laberst einfach nur Bullshit und erfindest Halbwahrheiten. Einzig die hier im Komplott gegen mich hetzen sind immer die selben, ihr Kurtis und paar Kroaten als Daro und Cobra, altbekannte hardcore Nationalisten.
Mich denke meine Kommentare sind ganz ok , mit mir kann man gut diskutieren sofern es nicht in Bekleidung und Hetze übergeht, was leider hier der Fall ist und von ganz oben geduldet wird.

Jetzt verteidigt und rechtfertigst du auch noch dein Grossalbanien Kurti :lol: überall wo Albaner leben dort ist Albanien. So so
Es bringt nichts. Ich habe dir nichts vorgeworfen. Aber wenn schon ein Dissention einsieht, was du manchmal von dir gibst, müsste dir das doch zu denken geben.

Du jammerst darüber, dass ich Halbwahrheiten erfinde. Welche genau meinst du?

Es stimmt, manchmal wir gegen dich gehetzt und das ist sicher auch nicht immer fair. Aber hast du dich mal gefragt, weshalb das so ist?

Wenn du meine Beiträge regelmässig verfolgt hast, wirst du sehen, dass ich sicherlich nicht Kurti-Anhänger bin. Aber hier handelt es sich dann mehr um menschlich-familiäre Probleme als um politische. Ich selbst musste neidlos anerkennen, dass Kurtis' Intellekt weit über dem anderer kosovaalbanischer Politiker liegt. Weit, weit drüber.

Zum dick markierten:

Was genau ist dein Problem damit? Wenn ich persönlich wählen könnte, hätte ich den Norden schon lange weggeben. Dafür die Lugina genommen, wo Albaner die Mehrheit stellen.

Die Trepça-Minen 50/50 aufteilen und gut ist.
 
^^
Kurti gehört weder einer kriminellen Vereinigung an wie Vucic es tut und die NYT neulich noch einmal eindrücklich bestätigt hat noch hat er jemals eine Waffe in die Hand genommen oder hat irgendwelche militärische oder paramilitärische Einheiten kommandiert, wie es viele serbische Politiker getan haben einschließlich Fascho Vucic der oft an der Front gesehen wurde. Kurti ist lupenrein was das angeht. Von einem Vucic kann man das nicht behaupten. Von seinen Hasstiraden und faschistischen Reden, die überall im Netz zu finden sind, wollen wir gar nicht erst anfangen, von daher, ja Vucic ist ein lupenreiner Faschist und ich bin mir sehr sicher, er würde wieder andere Nachbarstaaten überfallen, wenn er es könnte.
Du und andere erwähnt diesen Artikel jetzt schon ne Weile, habt ihr den Artikel auch gelesen? Ich habe den noch nirgends gefunden.
 

Ein sehr aufschlussreicher Artikel über den Hass gegenüber Albanern in Serbien, der auch mit Zahlen, Daten und Fakten und Erfahrungen belegt wird. Also genau das, was ich hier andauernd anprangere und die selben Fragestellungen die ich hier andauernd aufwerfe: wie stellst sich Serbien und seine Gesellschaft die Rückkehr des Kosovo in den serbischen Staatsverbund vor?!​

Hatered against Albanians in Serbia has not died yet, we don’t know when it will​


By Aleksej Kišjuhas

Albanophobia in Serbia is not dead and we do not know when it will be. And what an extremely strange feeling of fear, contempt and hatred towards Albanians, at least for a country and a society that formally wants a Kosovo with a majority Albanian population in its composition, is it not? Or does Serbia, in the bad old habit, want Kosovo – but without Kosovo Albanians?

Indeed, on the front page of the pro-regime Informer newspaper and on all newsstands in Serbia, the headline recently appeared: ‘The West has denied visas to a fake country. Europe, here are Šiptar! Take them all to the EU!” Wait, what? Is not the point of state policy to reintegrate Albanians into Serbia?

Why is the Informer using insulting words to expel them from Kosovo to the hated Europe? What a mess is this in your head? The tabloids are, in fact, a continuation of the war by other means. As an argument for Kosovo’s independence from Serbia, Kosovo Prime Minister Kurti must show this front page in Brussels.

That, and countless others. Albanians are constantly presented as ‘Šiptari’ in the aforementioned newspapers, as in ‘Šiptari want to wipe out the Serbs’, ‘Šiptari are preparing for war’, ‘ Šiptari are preparing terrorist attacks all over Europe’, ‘ Šiptari are totally insane’, and so on in the tabloids.

According to one study, Informer published 20 texts with the pejorative word “Šiptar” in January 2017 alone. And yes, once and for all, the term is rude and insulting, even though Albanians are sometimes referred to by a similar name (Shqipetar).

About the same as the term ‘nigger’, which is just as offensive and racist, even though some American blacks call each other that. But imagine the New York Times saying on its front pages that ‘blacks are preparing for war’, ‘blacks want to wipe out Americans’, ‘blacks are going completely mad’, or ‘Europe, here come the blacks’?

“People of the forest”: Let’s try to be rational and not get emotional. If you were Kosovo Albanians – would you want to live in such a country, media and social environment? According to a survey by the Institute of Social Sciences (2020), only a third of Serbs (31%) would accept marriage to an Albanian man or woman.

And 24 per cent of Serbs would agree to an Albanian being President of Serbia. This tells us almost everything about our common future. Let us recall the treatment of a single Albanian, Shaip Kamberi from Bujanovac, in the Serbian Parliament (his arrest was demanded by the Vice-President of the latter).

What would you do if there were thirty or fifty? And Prime Minister Brnabić said in 2019 that “Pristina is not thinking rationally” and that “you are dealing with people who have literally come out of the woods”. Although she probably meant former members of the KLA, it is indicative of a (too) long view of Albanians as irrational barbarians and beyond civilisation.

Kosovo Albanians then responded on social media with humour and sarcastic hashtags “We are literally out of the woods now” (#LiterallyFromtheWoods) and “People out of the woods” (#PeopleFromtheWoods), along with selfies in front of some trees.

Disguised Serbs: And it’s not from yesterday, and that’s the whole art. Another Serbia’s Prime Minister Vladan Đorđević (1897-1900) described Albanians as savages and tribal people who had no history and were unfit for a country. In deadly and racially serious terms, Đorđević claimed that Albanians were “European redskins” who “sleep in trees with their tails attached to them”. Both in Government and in the Serbian Academy.

Its president, the famous scientist Jovan Cvijić, has described Kosovo Albanians as “despicable and hidden Serbs”. And he insisted super-scientifically that Serbia had to go to the sea via Albania (the port of Durres) “for the necessities of life”, drawing various geographical and ethnographic maps on that great Serbian occasion. Well, there’s that Cvijic on our 500 Dinar banknote, in the country to which we would like to bring Albanians. But how, please?

Colonisation policies: If, for example, in 1937 the academic Vaso Čubrilović wrote a memorandum for the government in which he openly proposed the complete ethnic cleansing of Kosovo from Albanians. For him, Albanians are a “hostile and foreign element”, which is why he criticizes “Western” methods in dealing with ethnic problems, and proposes arrests, the clearing of cemeteries, the cutting down of forests and the release of dogs, i.e. naked repression.

In 1939, Ivo Andric, ambassador in Nazi Berlin, wrote his essay on solving the “Albanian question” by assimilation and emigration, for Serbia’s exit to the glorious sea. According to Dimitrije Tucovic (1914), the chauvinist press in Serbia spread stereotypes of Albanians as barbarians and a “human variety” that should be civilised.

And yes, various colonial masters, the English, the French and the Spanish, the Americans and the Russians, had similar racist attitudes. But also we in Serbia, with an active policy of colonisation, repression and apartheid.

Note: if we think of this as an ugly racist and colonial past, let us think twice. Fast forward a few decades and SANU produced a Memorandum (1986) in which Kosovo Albanians are presented as savage murderers and rapists persecuting the Serbian people.

In 1981, Serbia also used naked force after a demonstration demanding that Kosovo become the seventh republic and the Albanians the constituent nation of the SFRJ. At that time, dozens of Albanians were killed, a state of emergency was declared with tanks, and over 4.000 Albanians were arrested and sentenced to imprisonment.

While Dobrica Ćosić, academic, first president of FR Yugoslavia and so-called “father of the nation”, wrote about Kosovo Albanians in 1999: “This social, political and moral remnant of the tribal barbarian Balkans takes America and the Europe of the Union as allies against the most democratic, civilised, enlightened Balkan people – the Serbian people.” The only epithets attributed to Kosovo Albanians in Čosić’s hate speech are those of ‘šiptar terrorists’, drug and human organ traffickers. As if they were not people, but – people from trees.

Mother Teresa instead of Cvijic: If Serbia were serious about the “Kosovo is Serbia” policy, instead of just printing it on T-shirts for right-wing extremists, it would behave very differently. For example, the Albanian language would be taught in schools in Serbia. And President Vucic would boast on Instagram that he is actively studying it.

We would be marking mass graves, talking about refrigerator cars and apologising for the war crimes of the Milosevic regime. We would be changing the constitution and redefining Serbia as a country of Serbian, Albanian and all other peoples. We would translate books by Kosovo writers and scholars.

The National Bank of Serbia would replace the banknote with Cvijic with Mother Teresa (or Ibrahim Rugova). We would also cheer for Kosovo athletes judokas Majlinda Kelmendi and Distria Krasnici, and Djaka and Shaćiri, football players. Radio stations will also broadcast popular music from Kosovo, and concerts by Dua Lipa and Rita Ora would have been organised in Belgrade.

For all this would mean that we are really serious about Kosovo (remaining) part of Serbia and that we are offering Albanians a sincere hand of reconciliation. Impossible? Unthinkable? Maybe It is. But that is precisely why Kosovo in Serbia is quite a bit unthinkable – without the war and exodus that Informer calls for.

And if Kosovo never gets a chair at the United Nations or a flag on a flagpole on the East River, the next question remains. What have we as a society done to ensure that Albanians are equal and accepted citizens of our Republic?

Instead of colonial and racist dehumanisation as terrorists on duty, drug dealers, bakers with tails or from trees? Why are there no “special connections” with these people when they enter college or receive treatment in clinical centres? Should we then wonder why Kosovo Albanians do not want to live in Serbia? And do we sincerely want this – ourselves?

After all, who are today the only European “Indians” incapable of an organized state, in deep disagreement with the values of modernity and the West? Enlightenment, secularism and the rule of law, instead of the rule of kinship ties, party corruption, tribal crime, and support for Russia? Who is the “moral precipitate” of the Balkans? Kosovo Albanians or Serbian tabloids?

Umgekehrt wird es nicht anders sein, auch wenn du gleich was anderes behaupten wirst.
 
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