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Diese Aussage ist eine Lüge. Beweis: Lies das Buch von Evliya Celebi. Er beschreibt nicht oberflächlich, sondern Stadt für Stadt, Berg für Berg und Dorf für Dorf.
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Bosnien-Herzegowina ist aus rein historischen Aspekt , zumindest mehrheitlich, serbisches Land
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Unter anderem, ja.
Aber das war schon mit Zoran so; wenn man ihn in die Ecke gedrängt hat und er nicht einfach seine vorbereiteten Textstellen posten musste, ist er ausgestiegen. Würde ich wahrscheinlich auch, wenn mein Einkommen von der Regierung abhängen würde.
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Hab dir doch schon zwei Quellen gebracht, was willst du mehr? Hab dir das doch genau erklärt mit der Flucht der Westkosovo Serben, Ende des 17. Jh fing alles an. Hier steht auch das auf folgedessen der Flucht der autochthonen Kosovo Serben zum Islam komventierte Albaner aus Albanien in das Kosovo migrierten
Great Migrations of the Serbs - Wikipedia
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Mein lieber, hast du dir die Quelle überhaupt durchgelesen
In der von dir gelieferten Quelle steht, dass die Serben die Migrationen dazu genutzt haben, um zu propagieren, dass die Albaner in Kosova importiert wurden, dies jedoch gemäss historischen Dokumente nicht bestätigt werden kann. In deiner Quelle
"The narrative about the migration is part of the Serbian identity narratives. It is a national-religious myth with a heroic theme.[30][10] Frederic Anscombe suggests that it, "together with other narratives of the Kosovo myth, form the basis of Serbian nationalism and have fueled the conflicts".[31] According to Anscombe, the Great Migration reconciles romantic national history with late modern reality, portraying Albanians of Kosovo as descendants of Ottoman-sponsored transplants who settled after the expulsion of the Serb population and supposedly took over the control of the territory,[32] thus replaying of a "second Battle of Kosovo"[33] and continual struggle for freedom.[32] Frederick Anscombe further concludes that there is no evidence for this,[34] and that western and parts of central Kosovo were treated as Ottoman Albania before Habsburg invasion in 1690.[35] Malcolm and Elsie state that various migrations took place because of the War of the Holy League (1683–1699), when thousands of refugees found shelter on the new Habsburg border.[36][37] Malcolm suggests that most of the Serb refugees did not come from Kosovo and that Arsenije never led an exodus from Kosovo as his departure had been extremely hasty. He notes that Toma Raspasani, who had barely escaped the Turks from Western Kosovo during the Austrian retreat, wrote himself later that "Nobody was able to get out".[38][39] Malcolm contends that Arsenije had been in Montenegro and then fled to Belgrade, a stronghold still under Austrian control, and which became a natural destination for many Serb refugees from all Serb lands.[40][41] Those who gathered there included people from parts of Kosovo (Mainly Eastern Kosovo) who had been able to escape the Ottoman incursion but most refugees were probably from other areas.[40] Among the refugees that moved to Austrian-dominated territories at the time also included a substantial number of Albanians, Orthodox and Catholics.[42]
Emil Saggau states that the modern adaptation and popularisation of the migration retrieves inspiration from Vuk Karadžić and Petar II Petrović-Njegoš's writings, and that prior to this, it had not yet become a component of Serb national identity.[43] According to Maroš Melichárek, the migration has also been depicted with Serbian national symbolism. The famous painting by Paja Jovanović, commissioned in 1896 by Patriarch Georgije Branković[44] was compared with notable painting by Emanuel Leutze Washington Crossing the Delaware.[45] The depiction and symbolism of Great Serbian migration is still very strong and up-to-date. Melichárek mentions that other comparisons were made of the Great Migrations, such as to the Great Retreat and a photo of Serbs fleeing from Republika Srpska Krajina.[46]
Malcolm believes that the historical evidence does not support a sudden mass exodus of Serbs out of Kosovo in 1690.[47] If the Serb population was depleted in 1690, it looks as if it must have been replaced by inflows of Serbs from other areas.[48] Such flows did happen and from many different areas.[49] There was also a migration of Albanians from the Malsi but these were slow, long-term processes rather than involving sudden urge of population into a vacuum.[49] Considering Albanians were a significant part of the population before 1690 and that Albanian majority was not achieved until mid 19th century, a mass exodus of Serbs out of Kosovo in 1690 seems unlikely.[50] In 1689 in Kosovo, both Muslim Albanians and Serbs rose up against the Ottoman Empire led by the Albanian Archbishop Pjeter Bogdani and Toma Raspasani.[51][52]"
It was after the migration of 1690, that the Ottomans first encouraged the migration of Albanians into Kosovo. The larger, eastern part of Kosovo remained overwhelmingly Serb Orthodox, with a Catholic Albanian, and later Muslim Albanian, presence growing from the west by the 16th century. The urban economy began to decline along with the output from the mines, yet Albanian highlander stockbreeders continued to migrate such that Kosovo would attain an Albanian majority by the end of 18th century.[53] The topic of the Great Migrations is a source of disputes between some Serbian and Albanian historians, with each side having its viewpoint,[42] including doubtful Serbian claims of no prior Albanian presence, and doubtful Albanian claims of a larger prior presence.[54] Additionally, Albanians claim descent from the Illyrians, who had inhabited ancient Dardania.[55][56] Albanians were present in Kosovo before the Ottoman period, and it has been suggested that a part of the Albanian population there were present as Illyrians before the Slavs came to the Balkans.[57][58][59] It is likely that Albanians in Kosovo before the Ottoman period were, if not the majority, an important minority.[58] At the time of King Lazar in the 14th century, and at the beginning of the Ottoman period in 1455, the region had "an overwhelming Slavic (Serbian) majority", but significant Albanian migration in the early sixteenth century resulted by mid-century in a sizable Albanian population in parts of western Kosovo.[55] According to Malcolm, a major part of the Albanian demographic growth was the expansion of an indigenous Albanian population within Kosovo itself. [60] Ottoman official documents and reports by Evliya Çelebi in the 17th century show that before the Habsburg invasion of 1689–1690 and the Great Migrations of the Serbs, at least western and central Kosovo were treated as part of Ottoman Albania, and had a large Albanian population.[56] Thus, the Albanian tribesmen that moved from turbulent mountains of Shkodra to western and central Kosovo after 1670, merely moved to other parts of Ottoman Albania.[61] István Deák from the University of Columbia states that Serbs, who were somewhat better educated than the Albanians, were willing to move away in search of better economic opportunities, which helped demographic changes in the territory of Kosovo throughout the centuries.[62]
Wenn du schon eine Quelle lieferst, lies sie dir zuerst durch. Thema Kosova, welches auf ewig albanisch bleiben wird, ist ab sofort für immer mit dir abgeschlossen. Du hast kein Wissen und es bringt mir absolut nichts, mit dir zu diskutieren. Ist halt einfach kein Lerneffekt da.
Mein lieber, hast du dir die Quelle überhaupt durchgelesen
In der von dir gelieferten Quelle steht, dass die Serben die Migrationen dazu genutzt haben, um zu propagieren, dass die Albaner in Kosova importiert wurden, dies jedoch gemäss historischen Dokumente nicht bestätigt werden kann. In deiner Quelle
"The narrative about the migration is part of the Serbian identity narratives. It is a national-religious myth with a heroic theme.[30][10] Frederic Anscombe suggests that it, "together with other narratives of the Kosovo myth, form the basis of Serbian nationalism and have fueled the conflicts".[31] According to Anscombe, the Great Migration reconciles romantic national history with late modern reality, portraying Albanians of Kosovo as descendants of Ottoman-sponsored transplants who settled after the expulsion of the Serb population and supposedly took over the control of the territory,[32] thus replaying of a "second Battle of Kosovo"[33] and continual struggle for freedom.[32] Frederick Anscombe further concludes that there is no evidence for this,[34] and that western and parts of central Kosovo were treated as Ottoman Albania before Habsburg invasion in 1690.[35] Malcolm and Elsie state that various migrations took place because of the War of the Holy League (1683–1699), when thousands of refugees found shelter on the new Habsburg border.[36][37] Malcolm suggests that most of the Serb refugees did not come from Kosovo and that Arsenije never led an exodus from Kosovo as his departure had been extremely hasty. He notes that Toma Raspasani, who had barely escaped the Turks from Western Kosovo during the Austrian retreat, wrote himself later that "Nobody was able to get out".[38][39] Malcolm contends that Arsenije had been in Montenegro and then fled to Belgrade, a stronghold still under Austrian control, and which became a natural destination for many Serb refugees from all Serb lands.[40][41] Those who gathered there included people from parts of Kosovo (Mainly Eastern Kosovo) who had been able to escape the Ottoman incursion but most refugees were probably from other areas.[40] Among the refugees that moved to Austrian-dominated territories at the time also included a substantial number of Albanians, Orthodox and Catholics.[42]
Emil Saggau states that the modern adaptation and popularisation of the migration retrieves inspiration from Vuk Karadžić and Petar II Petrović-Njegoš's writings, and that prior to this, it had not yet become a component of Serb national identity.[43] According to Maroš Melichárek, the migration has also been depicted with Serbian national symbolism. The famous painting by Paja Jovanović, commissioned in 1896 by Patriarch Georgije Branković[44] was compared with notable painting by Emanuel Leutze Washington Crossing the Delaware.[45] The depiction and symbolism of Great Serbian migration is still very strong and up-to-date. Melichárek mentions that other comparisons were made of the Great Migrations, such as to the Great Retreat and a photo of Serbs fleeing from Republika Srpska Krajina.[46]
Malcolm believes that the historical evidence does not support a sudden mass exodus of Serbs out of Kosovo in 1690.[47] If the Serb population was depleted in 1690, it looks as if it must have been replaced by inflows of Serbs from other areas.[48] Such flows did happen and from many different areas.[49] There was also a migration of Albanians from the Malsi but these were slow, long-term processes rather than involving sudden urge of population into a vacuum.[49] Considering Albanians were a significant part of the population before 1690 and that Albanian majority was not achieved until mid 19th century, a mass exodus of Serbs out of Kosovo in 1690 seems unlikely.[50] In 1689 in Kosovo, both Muslim Albanians and Serbs rose up against the Ottoman Empire led by the Albanian Archbishop Pjeter Bogdani and Toma Raspasani.[51][52]"
It was after the migration of 1690, that the Ottomans first encouraged the migration of Albanians into Kosovo. The larger, eastern part of Kosovo remained overwhelmingly Serb Orthodox, with a Catholic Albanian, and later Muslim Albanian, presence growing from the west by the 16th century. The urban economy began to decline along with the output from the mines, yet Albanian highlander stockbreeders continued to migrate such that Kosovo would attain an Albanian majority by the end of 18th century.[53] The topic of the Great Migrations is a source of disputes between some Serbian and Albanian historians, with each side having its viewpoint,[42] including doubtful Serbian claims of no prior Albanian presence, and doubtful Albanian claims of a larger prior presence.[54] Additionally, Albanians claim descent from the Illyrians, who had inhabited ancient Dardania.[55][56] Albanians were present in Kosovo before the Ottoman period, and it has been suggested that a part of the Albanian population there were present as Illyrians before the Slavs came to the Balkans.[57][58][59] It is likely that Albanians in Kosovo before the Ottoman period were, if not the majority, an important minority.[58] At the time of King Lazar in the 14th century, and at the beginning of the Ottoman period in 1455, the region had "an overwhelming Slavic (Serbian) majority", but significant Albanian migration in the early sixteenth century resulted by mid-century in a sizable Albanian population in parts of western Kosovo.[55] According to Malcolm, a major part of the Albanian demographic growth was the expansion of an indigenous Albanian population within Kosovo itself. [60] Ottoman official documents and reports by Evliya Çelebi in the 17th century show that before the Habsburg invasion of 1689–1690 and the Great Migrations of the Serbs, at least western and central Kosovo were treated as part of Ottoman Albania, and had a large Albanian population.[56] Thus, the Albanian tribesmen that moved from turbulent mountains of Shkodra to western and central Kosovo after 1670, merely moved to other parts of Ottoman Albania.[61] István Deák from the University of Columbia states that Serbs, who were somewhat better educated than the Albanians, were willing to move away in search of better economic opportunities, which helped demographic changes in the territory of Kosovo throughout the centuries.[62]
Wenn du schon eine Quelle lieferst, lies sie dir zuerst durch. Thema Kosova, welches auf ewig albanisch bleiben wird, ist ab sofort für immer mit dir abgeschlossen. Du hast kein Wissen und es bringt mir absolut nichts, mit dir zu diskutieren. Ist halt einfach kein Lerneffekt da.
Du erwartest tatsächlich, dass der sich einen englischen Text durchliest ????Der hat die Bilder gesehen und das genügt ihm !!
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Die Bosniaken wollen die bosnischen Orthodoxen aus dem Genozidgebilde und dem failed shit "RS" nicht als Bosnier bezeichnen,
die wirklichen Serben aus Serbien wollen die net als "Serben" bezeichnen. Die Zahnlücken-Jonnys will keiner aufnehmen
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Historisch gesehen, ist das alles dalmatien
Dalmatia – Wikipedia
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Ansonsten hilft nur Bildung, um nicht aus jeder historischen Karte einen Gebietsanspruch abzuleiten. Das kommt aus Zeiten, in denen es gar kein Nationalbewusstsein gab.
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Istrien fehlt.