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makedonische frage!

Zoran schrieb:
Die makedonische, was für eine Frage.


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Wie sieht die deiner Meinung nach aus? Abgesehen von den "Vorfahren" Alexander, Philipp & Co. und dem Stern von Vergina?

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Zoran schrieb:
Wenn er slawischen Ursprungs ist, dann gab es schon slawisch in der Antike.

BylaZORA sei dank.

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Die Slawen kamen erst im 6. und 7. Jahrhundert in den Balkan. Willst du jetzt ein historisches Faktum in Frage stellen?
 
There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is their cause from ours! They will be fighting for pay — and not much of at that; we, on the contrary, shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it. As for our foreign troops — Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians, Agrianes — they are the best and stoutest soldiers in Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of Asia. And what, finally, of the two men in supreme command? You have Alexander, they — Darius!
  • Addressing his troops prior to the Battle of Issus, as quoted in Anabasis Alexandri by Arrian Book II, 7



  • If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things Hellenic, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to disseminate and shower the blessings of the Hellenic justice and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and desire that victorious Hellenes should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos…
    • As quoted in "On the Fortune of Alexander" by Plutarch, 332 a-b



  • Holy shadows of the dead, I’m not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.


  • Youths of the Pellaians and of the Macedonians and of the Hellenic Amphictiony and of the Lakedaimonians and of the Corinthians… and of all the Hellenic peoples, join your fellow-soldiers and entrust yourselves to me, so that we can move against the barbarians and liberate ourselves from the Persian bondage, for as Greeks we should not be slaves to barbarians.


  • Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a Greek king and a barbarian tyrant, so do not expect to suffer any harm from me. A king does not kill messengers.


  • Shall I pass by and leave you lying there because of the expedition you led against Greece, or shall I set you up again because of your magnanimity and your virtues in other respects?


  • Now that the wars are coming to an end, I wish you to prosper in peace. May all mortals from now on live like one people in concord and for mutual advancement. Consider the world as your country, with laws common to all and where the best will govern irrespective of tribe. I do not distinguish among men, as the narrow-minded do, both among Greeks and Barbarians. I am not interested in the descendance of the citizens or their racial origins. I classify them using one criterion: their virtue. For me every virtuous foreigner is a Greek and every evil Greek worse than a Barbarian. If differences ever develop between you never have recourse to arms, but solve them peacefully. If necessary, I should be your arbitrator. You must not consider God like an autocratic despot, but as a common Father of all; so your behavior may resemble the life siblings have in a family. On my part I should consider all equals, white or blacks, and wish you all to be not only subjects of the Commonwealth, but participants and partners. As much as this depends on me, I should try to bring about what I promised. The oath we made over tonight’s libations hold onto as a Contract of Love.

And when the book of Daniel was showed him, wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he supposed that himself was the person intended; and as he was then glad, he dismissed the multitude for the present, but the next day he called them to him, and bade them ask what favors they pleased of him.

Collins, John J. Daniel. Hermeneia. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1993.
Josephus, Flavius ; Whiston, William: The Works of Josephus : Complete and Unabridged. Peabody : Hendrickson, 1996, c1987.



Philip V of Macedon speaking) For on many occasions when I and the other Greeks sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law.
[Polybius, “The Histories”, 18.4.8]



"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know and will prove it in the later part of my history.[SUP][2]
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Herodotus, The Histories, 5.22.1

 The Aetolians, the Acarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same speech, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time …”
(Livy, History of Rome, b. XXXI par. XXIX).







 
Ohër schrieb:
Die Slawen kamen erst im 6. und 7. Jahrhundert in den Balkan. Willst du jetzt ein historisches Faktum in Frage stellen?
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Faktum? Für nationalistische Ideologien des 19/20 Jhdt bestimmt.

Making Slavs History And Archaeology Lower Danube Region C500700 | European history 450-1000 | Cambridge University Press

Weißt ja wie das ist, früher war die Welt eine Scheibe wer anders dachte wurde verbrannt. Dank www verbrennst du dir nur die Finger Junge!!!

Auf deutsch das ganze in Kurzfassung hier: http://www.balkanforum.info/f9/waer...uenschenswert-211119/index41.html#post3093685

Unsere heutige Kenntnis von der Herkunft der Slawen ist großenteils ein Erbe des 19. Jahrhunderts. Das wissenschaftliche Vorgehen war unentwirrbar mit der Verfälschung nationaler Identitäten verbunden...



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Zoran schrieb:
Sie haben keine Berechtigung Anhänge anzusehen. Anhänge sind ausgeblendet.
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Kommunistische Propaganda. Der Grundstein für den Wahnsinn wurde da gelegt. Das die griechischen Kommunisten pro Tito und pro Jugoslawien waren, ist bekannt. Auch was deren Itention war. Warum gab es überhaupt demzufolge die Kinderverschleppung?`
 
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