Skandal in der UNO - Antikes Makedonien wird gräzisiert.

[Don]

Für die Sprache der Liebe brauchst du doch keine Übersetzerin Don! Lass deine Übersetzerin lieber mitmachen!

Aber hallo wird die mitmachen

 

[Zoran]

Wir haben dir hier schon Millionen mal Akademische quellen gegeben von Oxford bis Yale aber hier noch mal damit ich dein Gedächtnis auffrische und du mal siehst was die reale Welt der Universitäten da draußen sagt abseitzt von deiner mit Propaganda verseuchten Traumwelt.





Hier noch was zum Griechischen idiom von der Antike bis heute mein Slawischer freund.

Zu Geil, hol dir mal das Skript und alle Vorlesungen von Donald Kagan

Hier: Open Yale Courses | Introduction to Ancient Greek History

So, as I say, it's going to be a very major change but it's something that they don't know they're in the middle of watching. Well, in 359 a man called Philip became King of Macedon. We know the Macedonians were fundamentally Greeks. That is to say, they were Greek speakers and ethnically, if there is such a thing, they were Greek. But they were so far out of the mainstream of the development of the Greek poleis that we have been examining this semester that many, many Greeks, perhaps most of them, didn't think of them as being Greek. When Greeks thought about what it was to be a Greek they thought about more than the fact that they spoke the Greek language, they thought fundamentally--if you get to Aristotle you see how thoroughly true this is, it had to do with a culture, a way of life and that way of life was based upon the independent polis.

Well, Macedon did not have such a structure. The Greeks called the Macedonians an ethnos, a tribal group is what that sort of means. We use the word "nation" somehow to translate ethnos and that's okay. The word "nation" itself, you remember, comes from the Latin word which means to be born; people who are born of the same stock. But for the Greeks it had a different meaning; it was people who participated in the culture that they designated as Hellenic and they thought the Macedonians fell outside of that.There were no poleis in the Macedonian kingdom. It was something that we might call feudal. That is to say, yes there was a monarch, but there were powerful noblemen who were practically independent and who owed only a limited allegiance to the king and who were really the dominant figures in the state for most of the history prior to the appearance of Philip.


On the other hand, the king was an important and powerful character so that you have--this was true of European feudal states at certain periods in their development. On the one hand, the fundamental society was based upon great lords, great noblemen, barons, but there was a king and he was not inconsequential. That's the situation that pertained in Macedon. In a certain sense, if a Greek had looked at Macedonian society prior to Philip, he might have described it as Homeric, and you'll be familiar with that. Sure, there were guys called basileus, but they were not really the rulers over the barons, these great noblemen in their kingdom. They thought of it as uncivilized in the technical sense.


If you don't live in a polis, a city, as they understood it, then you are not civilized; you are part of an ethnos and that's the term they used of the tribal societies all around them, Illyrians, Scythians, they were all from an ethnos. The Macedonians, on the other hand, claimed very proudly and powerfully, and insistently that they were Greeks; they were Hellenes, and they probably invented a myth of their descent. Indeed, not merely from Greeks but from the real Greeks, that is to say the Argives, who were the leading people in the time of Homer's poetry and they claimed direct descent from Agamemnon and the other Argive kings. We hear about various Macedonian monarchs of some importance prior to Philip, back at the time of the Persian War, Alexander the first played an interesting and shady role between the Greeks and the Persians. During the Peloponnesian War we hear of a King Perdiccas, who also played a role shifting between the Spartans and the Athenians.

Hast mal wieder nicht genau hingehört


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Fundamental Greek obwohl Greeks das Gegenteil behaupten. Zu Geil

On the other hand, it's never a full scale war with Philip trying to conquer Athens. How could he? He's still outside from a territorial point of view, outside the entire old Greek world

 

[Bacerll]

Ζορανοφσκι μολις εκλασα.

 

[Poliorketes]

So, as I say, it's going to be a very major change but it's something that they don't know they're in the middle of watching. Well, in 359 a man called Philip became King of Macedon. We know the Macedonians were fundamentally Greeks.That is to say, they were Greek speakers and ethnically, if there is such a thing, they were Greek. But they were so far out of the mainstream of the development of the Greek poleis that we have been examining this semester that many, many Greeks, perhaps most of them, didn't think of them as being Greek.When Greeks thought about what it was to be a Greek they thought about more than the fact that they spoke the Greek language, they thought fundamentally--if you get to Aristotle you see how thoroughly true this is, it had to do with a culture, a way of life and that way of life was based upon the independent polis. Well macedonia did not have such a struktur....

the Macedonians, on the other hand, claimed very proudly and powerfully, and insistently that they were Greeks; they were Hellenes, and they probably invented a myth of their descent. Indeed, not merely from Greeks but from the real Greeks, that is to say the Argives, who were the leading people in the time of Homer's poetry and they claimed direct descent from Agamemnon and the other Argive kings

Du troll solltest mal verstehen lernen.. der Professor (aus Yale) sagt genau das was wir dir hier schon seid jahren probieren zu sagen das die Makedonen Griechen waren und zwar "fundamentally greeks" lern endlich englisch. Und die meisten leute hier können Englisch keine angst sie fallen nicht auf deine Skopaganda rein.

Fundamental Greek obwohl Greeks das Gegenteil behaupten. Zu Geil

Ja zoran du mit deiner skopaganda weißt es besser als ein Professor für Geschichte an der Yale Universität komm zisch ab.

 

[Paprika]

Du troll solltest mal verstehen lernen.. der Professor (aus Yale) sagt genau das was wir dir hier schon seid jahren probieren zu sagen das die Makedonen Griechen waren und zwar "fundamentally greeks" lern endlich englisch. Und die meisten leute hier können Englisch keine angst sie fallen nicht auf deine Skopaganda rein.



Ja zoran du mit deiner skopaganda weißt es besser als ein Professor für Geschichte an der Yale Universität komm zisch ab.

Josef Mengele war auch Mediziner und Anthropologe!

 

[Poliorketes]

PS: Zoran du wolltest doch akademische Seiten geh doch jetzt mal hier drauf ein. Oder ist es für dich unangenehm zu sehen das du keinen bezug zu einen Makedonen hast weder Kulturell noch Sprachlich im gegensatz zu einen Griechen.

Indo-European Languages: Balto-Slavic Family
Universität von Texas Zitat: "Eastern South Slavic languages include Bulgarian and Macedonian (not genetically related to the Greek dialect of Alexander the Great)"



Selbst n-tv sagt es. Für die Forschung war er Grieche: Streit um Alexander den Großen - n-tv.de

PS: Wenn du noch was über das Griechische aus der Universität lernen willst hier bitteschön von der zeit Alexanders die Hellenestische zeit bist heute.

Indo-European Languages: Hellenic Family

"The Hellenistic World and Koine Greek
The conquests of Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) spread Hellenic culture and the Greek language from his home in Macedonia to the Indus River in the east, and to Egypt in the south. Although Alexander's unified empire did not survive his death, its successor kingdoms (the Antigonid monarchy in Greece, the Seleucid monarchy in Syria, and the Ptolemaic monarchy in Egypt) lasted until the fall of Cleopatra, the last Ptolemaic queen of Egypt, at the hands of the Romans in 31 BC. However, Alexander's cultural achievements long outlasted his political accomplishments, and Hellenic culture and the Greek language continued to thrive in the eastern regions of the Roman Empire.

The Byzantine Empire and Byzantine (Mediæval) Greek
Byzantium became the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire in A.D. 330 when the Emperor Constantine refounded it as Constantinople (i.e., the City of Constantine), and with the fall of the Western Empire to the barbarians in A.D. 476 the Byzantine Empire was all that remained of the Romans' once vast imperial possessions. The Byzantine Empire, however, was neither a meager remnant of the Roman Empire nor an outpost of Latin culture in the East, but was rather a powerful state in its own right as well as a center of Greek language and culture until its fall at the hands of the Turks in A.D. 1453.

Modern Greece and Modern Greek
Though subject to the Ottoman Turks until its independence in 1821, Greece has maintained its cultural and linguistic heritage to the current day. Modern Greek, the successor to Byzantine or Mediæval Greek, is spoken not only in Greece proper but in diaspora communities throughout the world."

 

[Paprika]

PS: Zoran du wolltest doch akademische Seiten geh doch jetzt mal hier drauf ein. Oder ist es für dich unangenehm zu sehen das du keinen bezug zu einen Makedonen hast weder Kulturell noch Sprachlich im gegensatz zu einen Griechen.

" well first of all, not every single historians, or universities support the modern greek propaganda for Macedonia. only those groups which are sympathetic to the greek version of history are supporting the idea that ancient Macedonians were some how "greek". and many of them have been found to be corrupt under the guise of the modern greek lobby for academic sources. the greek state spends millions of dollars lobbying universities to carry and publish their version of Macedon history. and actually, the burden of proof is with the greeks who try to neglect and sideline certain facts about Macedonians and Alexander, such as Alexander coming from least partial illyrian origins. not to mention the many ancient writers that have clearly stated that ancient macedonians were more akin to Illyrians and Thracian tribes as far as language and social structure was concerned. claiming that greeks may possibly have some connection with ancient macedonians(which is highly debatable is one thing, but when you start making claims that no other people have history and that ancient macedonians were self identifying as "greeks" is just a bullshit corrupt attitude that can not, and will not be respected by any sensible person who has actually taken the time to study this history."

 

[Zoran]

Du troll solltest mal verstehen lernen.. der Professor (aus Yale) sagt genau das was wir dir hier schon seid jahren probieren zu sagen das die Makedonen Griechen waren und zwar "fundamentally greeks" lern endlich englisch. Und die meisten leute hier können Englisch keine angst sie fallen nicht auf deine Skopaganda rein.



Ja zoran du mit deiner skopaganda weißt es besser als ein Professor für Geschichte an der Yale Universität komm zisch ab.

Schau mal wer Yale finanziert

Oh Ja, YALE....

Supported by the Stavros Niarchos Foundation Center for Hellenic Studies at Yale University

Hellenic Studies Program | The MacMillan Center | Yale University

Nächster Bitte...

Hatten wir alles schon.

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[ZX 7R]

Du bist kein Faktor um mir was vorzuschreiben, du kannst mir die Shcuhe binden, mehr nicht.

Pouzdrav

Goran, der Chefredakteur, kann immer noch keine Schuhe binden.

 

[Zoran]

Goran, der Chefredakteur, kann immer noch keine Schuhe binden.

Dort stand ne Kontaktadresse, gibs ihm richtig per email!


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