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Wir haben die Terrororganisation UcK nicht unterstützt
. Das war Uncle Sam.-
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. Das war Uncle Sam.
H3llas
οἶδα οὐκ ^
dein staat hatt ein volk auf dem gewissen!
Völkermord an den Armeniern
(ich liefere immer die quellle! damit ihr net rumheult das ich hetzte mache)
es bestäht die gefahr das selbe mit den kurden! wir unterstüzen ein volk das keine rechte hatt in ein land das eigentlich ihres ist! keine partei haben wie jedes volk auf erden! kein menschenrechte haben. und, und...
und hier nochmal eine quelle:
Kurdisches Kulturfestival in Kln - NRhZ-Online - Neue Rheinische Zeitung - info@nrhz.de - Tel.: +49 (0)221 22 20 246 - ein Projekt gegen den schleichenden Verlust der Meinungs- und Informationsfreiheit - Kln, Klner, Leverkusen, Bonn, Klner Dom, Klner
also komm hier nicht mit pkk und terror!
guck erst mal was ihr gemacht habt...
G
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Wir haben die Terrororganisation UcK nicht unterstützt
Das amerika sie gestützt hat...und seit ein paar jahren bereut hat....heißt nicht das die türkei dort friedenstauben schickte.
Sogar in bosnien...wurden die moslems von der türkei unterstützt.
Der feind meines feindes ist mein freund.So tickt die ganze welt.
Ihr Lieben, wenn wir schon beim Thema hier auf PKK kommen. Wie es um die Rechte der Kurden, ihre Kultur etc. in der Türkei bestellt ist, das scheint trotz etlicher Fortschritte in den letzten Jahren immer noch sehr viel Verbesserungsbedarf zu geben. Und türkischer Geheimdienst und Militär sind gewiss auch kein Kind von Traurigkeit. Drücken wir es alles mal so aus. Nichtsdestotrotz. Das gibt aber niemandem das Recht, Terror als Mittel zu wählen, der immer und in erster Linie auf Unschuldige zielt. Es wäre schlimm, würde Griechenland das unterstützt haben. Was an dieser Behauptung dran ist, weiß ich nicht. Aber auf seriöse entsprechende Quellen des Autors wäre ich auch gespannt.
Und Armenien ist ein schwieriges Kapitel für sich wofür es einen eigenen Thread gibt, wo das gern ausdiskutiert werden kann
Und Armenien ist ein schwieriges Kapitel für sich wofür es einen eigenen Thread gibt, wo das gern ausdiskutiert werden kann
Wetli
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Du Amcik Biz Türk.
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Abdullah Öcalan hatte einfach nur Schiss gehabt, weil er wusste das er in der Türkei gehängt werden würde. Deshalb hat er den Türken angeboten, für sie als Spion zu arbeiten, um dieser Todesstrafe zu entkommen.Achso,Öcalan hatt des geasgt nachdem er gefangen wurde,dann muss es stimmen!!!!
So wie die aussagen im Flugezueg,das er eigendlich die Tuerkei mag
Wie in Guantanamo,da haben die Leute auch jeden scheiss zugegeben!!!!!
Also muss es Stimmen ^^
Ja, hast Recht. Öcalan wurde gefoltert und hat deswegen so einen Scheiß gelabert, dass es Beziehungen der PKK zu den Griechen gäbe. Und diese Fotos sind wahrscheinlich auch nur erfunden:
Links Dimitris Matafias, Rechts Abdullah Öcalan
Q: Why is Greece important for the PKK?
A: Greece is used by the PKK as a launch pad to infiltrate Europe.
Q: How was the Greek-PKK connection established?
A: It started when Greece established the Lavrion refugee camp and started sheltering pro-PKK Kurds there.
Q: Is there any other NATO country that allows use of its territory for activities against another NATO country?
A: No. France was providing shelter to Basque guerillas, but that has ceased.
Q: Are there any PKK camps in Greece?
A: Yes. It’s been known for some time that the PKK has at least three mobile training camps in Greece. Greece has been denying the existence of camps where terrorists have been receiving both textbook and tactical training; however, confessions by captured terrorists underline that Greek camps were used by the terrorist gang, in particular to train urban death squads.
Q: What other organizations does the PKK have in Greek territory?
A: In contrast to other European countries, Greece does not consider the PKK a terrorist organization. Front organizations of the separatist gang have been given permission by Greek authorities to establish themselves and function in all major cities of Greece. Greek security even tolerated efforts by these terrorist gang organizations to collect donations (!) and organize “cultural nights” in order to raise funds for the separatist gang. On April 30, 1998 Greece allowed the establishment of the “PKK Representation of the Balkans.” This was the first time that the PKK had opened an official representation in any country under its own name.
Q: Was Greek support to the PKK limited to these?
A: No. After Ocalan left Syria, he was in Russia for a brief period. When Russia, under Turkish and American pressure, placed him on board an Aeroflot flight and sent him to Rome, Greece was one of the first countries to voice sympathy for the “Kurdish cause,” while still refusing to condemn the PKK, and campaigned for the convening of an international conference to discuss the so-called “Kurdish question.”
Q: When did Greece start supporting the PKK?
A: Greek support for the PKK dates back to late 1980s. It had previously supported yet another anti-Turkish gang, the notorious terrorist group, the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA). Interestingly enough, Syria as well was supporting ASALA.
Q: Was sheltering Ocalan the sole Greek support for the PKK?
A: No. Greece has been providing facilities to the PKK on its soil in the form of shelter as well as training and logistics for its activities aimed
at destabilizing and dividing Turkey. It has been known for some time that retired Greek officers have been training PKK members both in Greece and abroad. Although Greece has categorically been denying this fact, it was noted that in the latest Ocalan episode one of the key players of the fiasco was a former Greek naval commander, retired Adm. Andonis Naxakis.
In addition to the support of the Greek military, parliamentarians –
mainly from the Pan-Hellenic Socialist Party (PASOK) of Prime Minister Costas Simitis — have been maintaining close links with the group. Several Greek parliamentarians have visited Ocalan, either in Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley or in Damascus, Syria. These visits became public when pro-Kurdish newspapers and magazines published photographs and stories of these contacts.
When Turkey forced Syria to get Ocalan out of its territory four months ago, Greek parliamentarians publicly invited the separatist leader to take “refuge” in Greece.
In addition to Ocalan, many Kurdish outlaws whom Turkey placed on Interpol’s Red List have been freely organizing gatherings in Greece and have been meeting with Greek government officials.
Q: Who orchestrated the latest diplomatic fiasco?
A: Statements by Theodoros Pangalos, the foreign minister who was forced by Prime Minister Simitis to resign, indicate that the Greek Foreign Ministry and Intelligence Agency were the masters behind the fiasco.
Q: What are they accused of?
A: Allowing Ocalan to unobtrusively enter Greece many times. Hosting him at the Greek ambassadorial residence in Nairobi, Kenya. Failing to provide Ocalan a secure place. Handing him to Kenyan (or Turkish) intelligence.
Q: Wasn’t Simitis involved?
A: According to Pangalos, he acted on instructions from Simitis.
Q: Why were Pangalos and two other ministers forced by Prime Minister Simitis to resign?
A: In the hopes of surviving the aftershocks of the fiasco.
PKK TERROR - PKK Official Site - Greece: PKK Supporter
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Besonders interessant das grün geschriebene:
[SIZE=-1]Greek assistance to PKK and Greek Turkish Relations[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]"Relations between Greece & Turkey are strained over several issues such as Aegean borders, Cyprus, Turkish minorities of Thrace, and most recently, the explosive news of Greece harboring the international terrorist fugitive, Abdullah Ocalan. A Turkish Intelligence operation has apprehended Ocalan from his Greek hideout in Nairobi, Kenya... In addition to Abdullah Ocalan's statements that his group received weapons he has recently noted that Greek Orthodox Churches supplied additional funds allowing the PKK to have a monthly budget of close to US$3million in its efforts to destabilize Turkey." TurkishForum[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Greece and Turkey are NATO allies. A former ambassador, Mr Sukru Elekdag has often suggested that NATO should convene a special ministerial meeting on the issue of terrorism so that Turkey can reveal to the world the manner in which Greece has engaged in dirty dealings directed against the Turkish Republic, a fellow NATO ally. The "Peace and Cooperation" communiqué adopted at the NATO Council's summit meeting in Rome in 1991 envisages consultations among allies in the face of acts of terrorism and sabotage. Likewise, Article 4 of the NATO treaty envisages that the member countries have consultations with one another regarding situations that endanger their security. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]There are also many bilateral treaties between Greece and Turkey which make these hostile acts and intentions ILLEGAL. One example is the addendum to the 1938 agreement signed by Bayar and Metaksas which loosely translated states: "the two sides [Greece and Turkey ] agree on and take responsibility for the execution of the following: Neither side will allow the formation of or allow to reside on her territory, any groups or organizations whose purpose is to destabilize the security and well-being of the other country, or change its government; nor will they allow on their territories, individuals or groups that aim to fight against the other country through propaganda or other means." [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Greece is a NATO member but Her past actions, Her blatant support for terrorism directed against an ally and neighbor, Her lack of support in the Kosova crisis while claiming to champion human rights by supporting the internationally recognized terrorist organization PKK, and events like a Greek NATO official being caught spying for the Serbs cast doubt on her sincerity and dependability not just vis a vis Turkey but as a NATO member as well.
details of greek and southern cypriot support for PKK terrorism reviewed in the context of history, megalo idea, and Greek Turkish politics
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Hier reicht es, wenn ihr nur das Rote lest:
[/SIZE]The Washington Times, Tuesday, September 10, 1996
GREEK SPY AGENCY TIED TO TERROR GROUP ATHENS BACKED ANTI-TURKISH KURDS By Bill Gertz U.S. intelligence has uncovered evidence linking the Greek government to covert training for an international terrorist group that until recently operated on a Greek island, according to CIA sources. The Greek government, through its National Intelligence Service, took steps last month to curb its backing for the anti- Turkish Kurdistan Workers+ Party, a terrorist group known as the PKK, the sources disclosed to The Washington Times. The PKK is a Marxist- Leninist group that since that early 1970s has sought to set up a separate Kurdish State in Southeastern Turkey, an area predominantly inhabited by ethnic Kurds. The group also receives safe haven and aid from Syria, Iraq and Iran and has turned to urban terrorism in the past few years, according to the State Department . It has been credited with scores of bomb attacks in Europe and Turkey since the early 1990s, making it among the most active international terrorist groups, the department+s annual global terrorism report stated. The evidence of Greek complicity in sponsoring an international terrorist unit could lead to the unprecedented step of declaring a NATO ally a state sponsor of international terrorism, a policy that includes harsh U.S. economic sanctions, terrorism experts said. According to intelligence sources, the chief of Greece+s National Intelligence Service met in Athens last month with two PKK terrorist leaders. The Greek Spy chief informed the PKK officials they could no longer conduct training operations in Greece and the two officials agreed to relocate their training bases, sources said. one of the PKK officials is an aide to PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan. who is based in Syria. A second official is a member of the National Liberation Front of Kurdistan, based in Germany. U.S. officials said Greek police and intelligence officials earlier this year took steps to shut down one PKK training camp on Euboea, a large island located northeast of Athens. The camp, closed in February, was used for weapons and explosives training, officials said. Greek authorities also raided a safe house near Athens in March that was used by PKK terrorists engaged in operations in Europe, the officials said. However, U.S. officials said it is not clear that the Athens government has ended all support for the PKK, including the practice of allowing PKK terrorists to transit freely through Greece. Theodossiss Demetracopouos, press secretary at the Greek Embassy, said in a statement, -The Greek government categorically denies that it has ever provided training or any other form of assistance to the PKK.- A State Department counterterrorism official had no comment on Greek support for the PKK, or whether Athens could be placed on the list of state sponsors of terrorism as a result. Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism operations official , said the PKK is one of the most violent terrorist groups operating in the world today. -The Greeks have taken the position that the enemy of my enemy is my friend,- Mr. Cannistraro said. -The fact of the matter is you have one NATO ally supporting terrorist operations against another NATO member.- Mr. Cannistraro said the new government of Greece under Prime Minister Costas Simitis appears to be taking steps to curtail PKK activities. In January, Mr. Simitis succeeded ailing socialist Andreas Papandreau, who died June 23. The order to halt PKK training activities in Greece was given less than two months after Mr. Simitis took over as chairman of the ruling socialist Pan Hellenic Socialist Movement , known as Pastok, and consolidated his political power. -There is no question that what the Greek government is doing with the PKK makes them supporters of international terrorism,- Mr. Cannistraro said. -If political considerations were put aside, they would qualify as state sponsors of terrorism on the State Department+s annual list.- The State Department terrorism report, issued in April, said Greece denied Turkish charges that the PKK conducted training in Greece denied Turksh charges that the PKK conducted training in Greece and received aid from the Athens government.
Athens Hosts Terrorist Training Camps
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Und jetzt heult weiter rum, dass das alles nur Lügen sind.
T
TurkishRevenger
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Und das ist die Rechtfertigung dafür, dass Griechenland Terroristen unterstützt, deren Ziel ein NATO-Partner ist?
Weder der angebliche Völkermord an den Armeniern, noch irgend etwas anderes rechtfertigt dies. Auch wenn die PKK von mir aus, wie du es behauptest, keine Terrororganisation wäre, sogar wenn es nur Freiheitskämpfer wären, schaden sie der Türkei.
Wenn Griechenland kein Bock hat sich an die NATO-Regeln zu halten, dann sollen sie sich aus der NATO VERPISSEN!
Ottoman
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Quellen hin und her
Nach der Ergreifung von Öclan ist der damalige GR Aussenminister zurückgetreten weil Öcalan in der Griechischen Bootschaft in Nairobi saß und dort von türkischen Spezialeinheiten entführt worden ist..
Man sollte sich etwas schämen gegen einen NATO Partner so feind seelig zu sein.
Entweder man hält sich an die vereinbarungen einer Allianz oder man tritt aus.Griecheland ist ein paradebeispiel dafür das sie sich an vereinbarungen nicht hält.
Das hat ja die letzte Staatspleite wiedermal gezeigt wie sie dem Bündnis EU einen vorgelogen haben..
Haltet euch zurück Griechenland ist sowieso kein wichtiger Partner im Nato Bündnis (strategisch und auch politisch nicht)..
Stellt euch bitte hinten an.
Nach der Ergreifung von Öclan ist der damalige GR Aussenminister zurückgetreten weil Öcalan in der Griechischen Bootschaft in Nairobi saß und dort von türkischen Spezialeinheiten entführt worden ist..
Man sollte sich etwas schämen gegen einen NATO Partner so feind seelig zu sein.
Entweder man hält sich an die vereinbarungen einer Allianz oder man tritt aus.Griecheland ist ein paradebeispiel dafür das sie sich an vereinbarungen nicht hält.
Das hat ja die letzte Staatspleite wiedermal gezeigt wie sie dem Bündnis EU einen vorgelogen haben..
Haltet euch zurück Griechenland ist sowieso kein wichtiger Partner im Nato Bündnis (strategisch und auch politisch nicht)..
Stellt euch bitte hinten an.
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Darum sind die israelis zun uns gekommen
*alaturka
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Nachdem die Türkei, die Zionisen hat fallen lassDarum sind die israelis zun uns gekommen
