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Tipp zur UEFA-Entscheidung Albanien vs Serbien
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Aha und warum sollte dann der albanische Verband dafür bestraft werden? Die Aktion hat doch nix mim Urteil zu tun.
FloKrass
Dvoglavi orao
Serbia’s charge sheet is absurdly long and Uefa needs to get tough
Owen Gibson, The Guardian, Friday 24 October 2014 17.35 BST
The sight of the remote control drone over the Belgrade pitch in the Euro 2016 qualifier against Albania was just the latest incident to make Europe’s governing body look naive
“Politicians should take care of politics but sport needs to be a place of brotherhood which brings people together.” So said Michel Platini earlier this year on one of the Uefa president’s regular diversions down the blind alley marked “sport and politics should not mix”.
As that drone floated surreally over the Belgrade pitch on 14 October, sparking the extraordinary mayhem that followed on the pitch, it was just the latest incident to make that stance look naive at best and dangerous at worst.
In a sport that has all but lost the power to shock, the sight of a remote-control drone trailing the flag of “Greater Albania” – a concept that Albanians insist is never used in modern parlance – over the pitch was the precursor to half an hour of chaos and confusion before Martin Atkinson called the game off.
Uefa’s independent disciplinary committee, having sifted through evidence from both Serbia and Albania, decided on the plague-on-all-their-houses approach on Friday. Serbia were awarded a 3-0 walkover but had three points deducted, both countries were fined €100,000 each and Serbia were ordered to play their next two home qualifiers, against Denmark on 14 November and Armenia on 4 September next year, behind closed doors.
In the absence of any definitive evidence on who actually flew the drone, it is a verdict that looks tough on the Albanians – who get no points from the match and are three goals worse off. The decision means that Albania, who began their campaign with a shock 1-0 win over Portugal, have four points from three games and Serbia one point from two. Denmark have four points, Portugal three and Armenia one.
It is a given that in any quasi-judicial process each side will aggressively present their case in the best light. But the Ministry of Truth tone of the Serbian submission, in which the Albanian FA was accused of orchestrating the drone incident as part of a premeditated “terrorist act”, verged on the ridiculous.
All who were there have commented on the supercharged atmosphere among a crowd whipped into a frenzy by the nationalism stirred up by their first clash with Albania in Belgrade since 1968. Held against the backdrop of longstanding tensions over Kosovo, the former Serbian province declared independence in 2008 and is populated mainly by ethnic Albanians, the match was always going to be a flashpoint. That tension erupted into war in 1998 and was halted only by a Nato bombing campaign a year later, but not before 10,000 people had lost their lives.
Despite the absence of away fans the atmosphere was not helped by a security operation that, according to eyewitnesses, was woefully inadequate. Stones, lighters, coins, flares, chunks of crumbling terrace and other objects – the Albanian FA’s submission claims a wheelbarrow was spotted on the terraces – found their way on to the pitch having been hurled in the direction of Albanian players.
Banners glorifying war criminals were openly displayed and songs raining down from the terraces included “Kill, kill, kill the Albanians” and “Burn them, burn them alive until there are none left”. The sight of the notorious hooligan Ivan Bogdanov in the crowd seemed symbolically significant of a lack of desire or ability among the Serbian authorities to police the game and a reminder of the close links between Belgrade’s ultras and Arkan’s murderous rampage across the region in the late 90s properly.
When all hell broke loose in the wake of the drone incident – with stewards, fans and (allegedly) the police attacking Albanian players as they ran from the pitch, shielded by their Serbian counterparts – the powder keg had required only a spark.
There can be little doubt that the surreal drone and its offensive cargo provided that spark. But for all we (and Uefa) might suspect it was an Albanian flying it, without proof it is surely difficult to censure them for it. Disentangling the toxic web of claim and counter claim in cases such as this is never going to be easy but not for the first time Uefa seems to have fallen between several stools.
The Albanian FA claims that up to six players were so badly injured that they were unable to carry on. The Serbianssay they offered to replay the game later in the week behind closed doors. The Albanians claim no such offer was made and that in any case their players were due back with their clubs.
There is little doubt that both sides were culpable but, while Serbia will face the loss of revenue from two home matches behind closed doors, Albania suffered the greater sporting penalty.
Amid the tit-for-tat statements and inflated rhetoric Albania’s chances of qualifying for Euro 2016 have taken a hit. What if Serbia qualify on goal difference ahead of them? More pressingly, what will Uefa do about the return match in Albania in 12 months’ time?
The charge sheet against Serbia is getting absurdly long. Four years ago a Euro 2012 qualifier with Italy was suspended amid scenes of mayhem. There have been regular incidents involving Serbian clubs in European competition and in December 2012 England’s under-21 match ended in chaos with players being attacked on the pitch amid accusations of racism.
Two games behind closed doors are unlikely to remedy the problem, particularly while Serbians remain aggressively in denial. Both sides will appeal.
Last week was designated a Uefa “no to racism action week”, the latest reminder that TV adverts, T-shirts and warm words are all very well. But until they are backed by coherent decisions from Uefa’s disciplinary body they will not achieve much.
Serbia?s charge sheet is absurdly long and Uefa needs to get tough | Owen Gibson | Football | The Guardian
Owen Gibson, The Guardian, Friday 24 October 2014 17.35 BST
The sight of the remote control drone over the Belgrade pitch in the Euro 2016 qualifier against Albania was just the latest incident to make Europe’s governing body look naive
“Politicians should take care of politics but sport needs to be a place of brotherhood which brings people together.” So said Michel Platini earlier this year on one of the Uefa president’s regular diversions down the blind alley marked “sport and politics should not mix”.
As that drone floated surreally over the Belgrade pitch on 14 October, sparking the extraordinary mayhem that followed on the pitch, it was just the latest incident to make that stance look naive at best and dangerous at worst.
In a sport that has all but lost the power to shock, the sight of a remote-control drone trailing the flag of “Greater Albania” – a concept that Albanians insist is never used in modern parlance – over the pitch was the precursor to half an hour of chaos and confusion before Martin Atkinson called the game off.
Uefa’s independent disciplinary committee, having sifted through evidence from both Serbia and Albania, decided on the plague-on-all-their-houses approach on Friday. Serbia were awarded a 3-0 walkover but had three points deducted, both countries were fined €100,000 each and Serbia were ordered to play their next two home qualifiers, against Denmark on 14 November and Armenia on 4 September next year, behind closed doors.
In the absence of any definitive evidence on who actually flew the drone, it is a verdict that looks tough on the Albanians – who get no points from the match and are three goals worse off. The decision means that Albania, who began their campaign with a shock 1-0 win over Portugal, have four points from three games and Serbia one point from two. Denmark have four points, Portugal three and Armenia one.
It is a given that in any quasi-judicial process each side will aggressively present their case in the best light. But the Ministry of Truth tone of the Serbian submission, in which the Albanian FA was accused of orchestrating the drone incident as part of a premeditated “terrorist act”, verged on the ridiculous.
All who were there have commented on the supercharged atmosphere among a crowd whipped into a frenzy by the nationalism stirred up by their first clash with Albania in Belgrade since 1968. Held against the backdrop of longstanding tensions over Kosovo, the former Serbian province declared independence in 2008 and is populated mainly by ethnic Albanians, the match was always going to be a flashpoint. That tension erupted into war in 1998 and was halted only by a Nato bombing campaign a year later, but not before 10,000 people had lost their lives.
Despite the absence of away fans the atmosphere was not helped by a security operation that, according to eyewitnesses, was woefully inadequate. Stones, lighters, coins, flares, chunks of crumbling terrace and other objects – the Albanian FA’s submission claims a wheelbarrow was spotted on the terraces – found their way on to the pitch having been hurled in the direction of Albanian players.
Banners glorifying war criminals were openly displayed and songs raining down from the terraces included “Kill, kill, kill the Albanians” and “Burn them, burn them alive until there are none left”. The sight of the notorious hooligan Ivan Bogdanov in the crowd seemed symbolically significant of a lack of desire or ability among the Serbian authorities to police the game and a reminder of the close links between Belgrade’s ultras and Arkan’s murderous rampage across the region in the late 90s properly.
When all hell broke loose in the wake of the drone incident – with stewards, fans and (allegedly) the police attacking Albanian players as they ran from the pitch, shielded by their Serbian counterparts – the powder keg had required only a spark.
There can be little doubt that the surreal drone and its offensive cargo provided that spark. But for all we (and Uefa) might suspect it was an Albanian flying it, without proof it is surely difficult to censure them for it. Disentangling the toxic web of claim and counter claim in cases such as this is never going to be easy but not for the first time Uefa seems to have fallen between several stools.
The Albanian FA claims that up to six players were so badly injured that they were unable to carry on. The Serbianssay they offered to replay the game later in the week behind closed doors. The Albanians claim no such offer was made and that in any case their players were due back with their clubs.
There is little doubt that both sides were culpable but, while Serbia will face the loss of revenue from two home matches behind closed doors, Albania suffered the greater sporting penalty.
Amid the tit-for-tat statements and inflated rhetoric Albania’s chances of qualifying for Euro 2016 have taken a hit. What if Serbia qualify on goal difference ahead of them? More pressingly, what will Uefa do about the return match in Albania in 12 months’ time?
The charge sheet against Serbia is getting absurdly long. Four years ago a Euro 2012 qualifier with Italy was suspended amid scenes of mayhem. There have been regular incidents involving Serbian clubs in European competition and in December 2012 England’s under-21 match ended in chaos with players being attacked on the pitch amid accusations of racism.
Two games behind closed doors are unlikely to remedy the problem, particularly while Serbians remain aggressively in denial. Both sides will appeal.
Last week was designated a Uefa “no to racism action week”, the latest reminder that TV adverts, T-shirts and warm words are all very well. But until they are backed by coherent decisions from Uefa’s disciplinary body they will not achieve much.
Serbia?s charge sheet is absurdly long and Uefa needs to get tough | Owen Gibson | Football | The Guardian
mal abgesehen von der lächerlichen Theorie die Albaner jetzt auch noch für jeden zukünftigen Terrorakt per Drohne verantwortlich machen zu wollen..... srsly?
war die Aktion insgesamt doch sehr kreativ und irgendwie auch witzig, vor allem im Gegensatz zu manch geistreichen Kommentaren hier
Allissa
BOSANSKA BOSANKA
du wiederholst dich ständig.
warum hast du nicht einmal in deinen beiträgen erwähnt
wie scheisse das verhalten der serbischen fans und der sicherheitskräfte war ?
Ilir B
UNITED STATES OF ALBANIA
ja und?
wer hat dafür die schuld?
ES GIBT KEINE BEWEISE!
Solange es keine Beweise gibt, darf ein Gericht so nicht entscheiden!
Und was sagt und dieses Urteil? Einfach eine gegnerische Flagge übers Stadion fliegen lassen, und dann dürfen die Fans die Gener angreifen? Man bekommt ja trotzdem die Punkte...
El Mero Mero
Gesperrt
Das will er nicht erwähnen er ist einfach nicht neutral. Punkt. Er sieht einfach nicht was falsch läuft bei ihm.
M
Mudi
Guest
Amphion
Keyboard Turner
Weil das Prinzip des Verursachens es anders vorsieht.
Wenn eine Frau vergewaltigt wird, und sich dann irgendwie befreit und dem Vergewaltiger einen Stock über die Rübe zieht, der daraufhin daran stirbt, dann ist das kein Mord und auch kein Totschlag, da der Vergewaltiger allen Grund für ihr Verhalten nach der Vergewaltigung lieferte.
Im Stadion war es nicht anders: Der Albaner hat klammheimlich und voller böser und nationalistischer sowie faschistoider Gedanken an der Drohne gebastelt, die dann der Auslöser aller Krawalle war.
Warum hier die serbische Mannschaft bestraft wird ist mir nicht verständlich.
Das wäre in etwa so, als würde man von der vergewaltigten Frau am Ende noch verlangen, ihrem Vergewaltiger zu applaudieren.
Klar?
Krosovar
Kami
Oder waren die Beleidigungen der Fans und die Bengalos die auf die Spieler geworfen wurden Auslöser für die Drohne :-k
Alleine das du das mit ner Vergewaltigung vergleichst, disqualifizierst du dich damit eigentlich direkt schon aus dieser Diskussion ...
Nur weil ich jemanden den Stinkefinger zeige, hat er kein Recht mir einen Stuhl über den Kopf zu ziehen.
Wo doch sogar die albanischen Spieler nichtmal was mit der Drohne zu tun hatten
